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Just updated to 3.4.80 Build 160718 from http://www.hikvisioneurope.com/portal/index.php?dir=Product Firmware/Back-ends/Recorder/NVR/
I did initially try klasipca link but even though it said it was for my NVR it wouldn't install.

Done a search on hikvisioneurope.com and got another whick was K41 instead of the K51 and it installed fine.

Still no gmail alerts though, and I do wish they had a timeline playback on monitor of motion detection recording and continuous recording at the same time.

I set up motion detection recording and it all works fine and quickly on playback,it highlights any motion on timeline and and skip thorugh it easily, but obviously with a chance of missing something it hasn't recorded.

I set up continuous recording and the timeline is one continuous colour and won't allow me to skip through it by 30sec or 2x 4x 8x speeds or even show any motion detected.
The only way I can search motion is go to event, search for that day and click individually on the motion detected, one by one that will take hours.

Am I missing something here?
Thanks for any input
 
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Done a search on hikvisioneurope.com and got another whick was K41 instead of the K51 and it installed fine.
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K51 firmware is for the -Ix models.
You haven't said what model your NVR is.

Still no gmail alerts though, and I do wish they had a timeline playback on monitor of motion detection recording and continuous recording at the same time.
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I also did this update, and gmail is working OK now, though no claims it's a permanent fix, and there are motion marks on a continuous playback timeline on the web GUI.
You do have to select motion / line crossing / intrusion detection on the swizzler bottom left, next to the panel select.
On the web GUI, the speedup is up to x4, up to x64 (or higher, I don't recall) on the VGA/HDMI output.

A fair few recent posts on these topics ...
 
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Alistair, my model is the DS-76xxNI range which it clearly states in the K51 firmware....
I series NVR
DS-7616NI-I2 DS-7616NI-I2/16P DS-77xxNI-I4 DS-77xxNI-I4/16P DS-9632/64NI-I8 DS-9632/64NI-I16
K series NVR
DS-7604NI-K1/4P DS-76xxNI-K2 DS-76xxNI-K2/xP DS-77xxNI-K4 DS-77xxNI-K4/16P
E series NVR
DS-76xxNI-E1 DS-76xxNI-E1/xP DS-76xxNI-E1/xN
DS-76xxNI-E2 DS-76xxNI-E2/xP DS-76xxNI-E2/xN
DS-77xxNI-E4 DS-77xxNI-E4/xP

I'm using a monitor direct from the NVR and there are no motion marks on the timeline with continuous recording, the only way is to select event then search for that day and with all the sun/rain we had here yesterday there are 100 across my cameras with no quick/easy way to view them like with just motion detection set.
Ideally they should have 2 x timelines, 1 with motion and one with continuous, then to review motion it would take minutes, anything untoward and you could click on the continuous timeline.
Maybe thats too hard to implement.
And yes I have read loads of posts but they sometimes contradict each other.
 
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and there are motion marks on a continuous playback timeline on the web GUI.
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This is a new feature on the web GUI.
Ideally they should have 2 x timelines, 1 with motion and one with continuous, then to review motion it would take minutes, anything untoward and you could click on the continuous timeline.
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You do have to select motion / line crossing / intrusion detection on the swizzler bottom left, next to the panel select.
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In the VGA/HDMI playback there has been motion detection shown for several firmware revisions, but you do have to select the type of playback.

Here are a couple of screenshots from using the 3.4.80 firmware in a 7816N-E2 NVR, showing motion marking on a continuous playback timeline on the web GUI and also on the VGA/HDMI interface.
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Hi Alastair, that 1st hdmi screenshot is exactly what I see when I set up continuous recording and start playback, I don't use the web based ever.
If you leave on "normal" then you can 2x 4x 8x etc and 30sec forward/back but it plays through all 24 hours in that day.
If you then set to "Smart" it just plays the motion detected section but crucially it now removes the option to 2x 4x 8x etc and 30sec forward/back so can only review whats going on in real time, and like I said when I tried it yesterday with sun/rain all day it would take hours to search through to see anything interesting that caused the motion detection.
Any reason why it removes the 2x 4x 8x etc and 30sec forward/back option?A
And I've just realised what that swizzler does, that's why my motion detection was so severe yesterday, it does it full screen, and living on a main road it picked up everything that I normally block, how strange is that?
 
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If you then set to "Smart" it just plays the motion detected section but crucially it now removes the option to 2x 4x 8x etc and 30sec forward/back so can only review whats going on in real time
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Yes, logically it may have been better to retain the speed up / slow down and skip buttons and add something like a radio button to skip normal in between events or not skip.
But what they have done under Smart is to move those selections into the 'Set' button (where the volume button was under 'Normal')
So, another mouse click removed, you can skip normal or not, and set playback speed (up to 8) for events and in between events.
I agree - could be better.

But - and the main point of my post - motion events on the continuous playback timeline are now featured on the web GUI.
My main NVR runs headless out of sight up on a shelf, so the web GUI is all that I use.
 
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alastairstevenson said:
But what they have done under Smart is to move those selections into the 'Set' button (where the volume button was under 'Normal')
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Something else I've learnt thanks.

I've set up continuous detection for the last hour, the motion on my drive in that time was picked up on screen with the alarm symbol and it set it off twice.
When I come to playback, all of the blue line is continuous as expected.
Underneath, the green line is 90% solid, now only having picked up motion twice I can't understand why that is, is there another setting in the depths to control that, as if it was set to motion detection it would just have the two activations?
I've just checked again and its recording the "smart" almost continuously.
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The only settings that come to mind are those in the camera for line crossing and intrusion detection definition and sensitivity, and the values of the pre and post record times in the NVR recording schedule definition.
And a look at the NVR logs to see what clues are in there in terms of the durations seen in the timeline.
 
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Hi Alastair, I've been monitoring things over the last couple of days that I've left recording on continuous.
Even from midnight to 8am on just 2 cameras I've had 590 motion detection activations according to the log info, if it had been solely recording on motion I may have had 20 or so (mostly cats/foxes, I only have before/after set to 5 secs so I'm at a loss as to why so many as the green line is almost continuous like the blue one.

Playback on smart is slow at 1x, you can only increase it to 2x 4x 8x if you skip the non related then you can increase, unfortunately it then forces you to play all recorded video too, with no way to skip... Crazy

I'll keep digging around hopefully for an answer
 
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That's a big disparity between motion detection recording and what you are seeing in the log.
If you have 'Enable Dynamic Analysis for Motion' enable in the camera settings in the NVR, and you enable 'Rules' in Local configuration in the NVR, the web GUI will show on playback what triggered the event.
Though last time I checked this, the trail of green squares that show where motion was detected was absent, just the lines for intrusion detection and line crossing.
 
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I've just tried the web GUI and the motion detections are working fine (12 between midnight and 8am), highlighted in red underneath the continuous blue like in your second pic.
I just need to find why there were 590 motion detection activations in the same period, through the monitor connected to NVR.

At least with your helpful assistance I'm getting there.
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To be fair it was, but 590 through the VGA/HDMI and just 12 through the web GUI for the exact same time period.
There must be a setting thats wrong somewhere as that just doesn't add up.
 
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I'm having a similar kind of issue. I suspect the motion detection on the web interface (the new feature introduced in .80) is not taking into account the rules for "basic events" (motion detection).

I'm getting the right number of triggers on the web GUI during the day, but a stack in the night. I've turned the sensitivity down to 20%, which is as low as it can go without going to zero (in the NVR).
 
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I still haven't figured out why the exact same camera on continuous record showes hundreds of motion detection activations per day through VGA/HDMI, and a dozen or so (correct activations) through the web GUI.
I haven't a cat in hells chance of finding a "proper" activation through VGA/HDMI as there are so many phantom activations on there.
The way my set iup is, it's just so easier and quicker for me to link a monitor direct to the NVR than to go through the web gui.
 
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I saw in the notes the following:

We don’t recommend users to upgrade DS-7608NI-I2 and DS-7608NI-I2/8P to V3.4.80 due to RAM limit.

I have DS-7608NI-I, which is a pretty new device, so I bought an already obsolete device?
 
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the newer versio does not mention ram issues version: V3.4.82 build160818
 
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does your live view work for let say intrusion detection? I am getting Live view failed now. updated succesfully
 
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Yes, everything works except Live View in Safari on my Mac (unless you switch to UDP). Live View works with TCP with the individual cameras so it's the Web Plugin in the NVR update that's the problem. If if you change the feed to UDP from TCP Live View works for the NVR but the IP links only lead to camera one for some reason. So I leave it on UDP unless I want to access the cam settings.
 
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