Security camera needed for thieves and trespassers.

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I have a farm that just keeps being invaded. Im purchasing from a family member and he has had so much stolen there. It is only accessible from one road. Has cliffs around most of it. There is no electricity there at the moment and no Wi-Fi. It has a buried fiber optic cable run through the place actually close to where i want come security cameras. Someone not to long ago ripped the gate down and stole that as well. Poaching is really bad there also. Im thinking solar powered great imaging and some how email or smart phonealerts? Att 4g is great there. Motion detection? But needs to be high enough they cant steal it..lol I have not had very good luck in the past with trail cameras. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks alot. Lee
 

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How far is the farm from another house with internet? Is there line of sight to another house or building with internet? Ubiquiti nano stations can give you good internet from a few miles away, as long as there is line of sight. I would start there first. A solar set up isn't to much, most of it depends on how many batteries you need to run.lets start here first, then we can build a setup with photo beams and pirs for push notifications.
 

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1.2 miles. No you cant see there home. Trees and road curvature. I did see a right of way cut down the hill with powerlines, its about half way between us. It had some kind of coax rolled up on the bottom. I know that has to be phone or something. Ill take some pictures for you. And thanks for replying.
 

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LeeB,
Welcome to the forum!
Your question reminded me of some recent threads re: solar powered and cellular connection. Here's a few threads. There's some great info here, but it can take some work to uncover it.

Solar powered 3G/4G CCTV Sytsem
First tower. Solar Dahua.

Recording to an SD card installed in the camera will use less power than other recording alternatives (local or remote via RF link).
Beware of Motion Detect (MD) in the camera. Very prone to false alarms (moving tree limbs, shadows, sun coming out from behind clouds, etc)
Consider a cam with external alarm input. A simple switch won't consume power (unlike other sensors such as laser line or PIR motion sensors). So a switch on the gate could be wired back to the cam, and would enable a 3G or 4G message to be sent to multiple cell phones.

Good luck!

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Thanks alot everyone. Im gonna dig in and do some research. Im not real savvy with this kinda stuff. Im gonna do my part and read the suggested links. Hopefully i can make some sense of it.
 

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LeeB,

Im not real savvy with this kinda stuff. Im gonna do my part and read the suggested links.
So you may be ding more research than most to get up the learning curve.

I suggest using Google, with a special search term that restricts hits to this site. You avoid hits from sites trying to sell something.
Eg:
For Motion Detect learning:
site:ipcamtalk.com, md, outdoors, false alarms
Better than MD is IVS:
site:ipcamtalk.com, IVS, outdoors, dependable, dahua
For SD card recording:
site:ipcamtalk.com, camera, SD card, recording
For connecting external alarm to camera:
site:ipcamtalk.com, camera, external alarm input, switch

You're on the right track. Get up the learning curve, and then ask specific questions. They get a better response here than basic questions do, because we see many, many people post the same basic questions. (so fatigue sets in, hence the response is lower)

Good luck,
Brian
 

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Cradlepoint is excellent, performance and dependability wise. Great feautures, built in VPN, failover, remotely manageable, etc.
Because of this, many enterprises use Cradelpoint. My past employer did.
I have a Cradlepoint, bought used from eBay. New Cradelpoints are expensive. Enterprises are willing to pay.
After the fact, I learned of cheaper alternatives.
Some work may be needed to keep the cellular GB consumption low, to reduce your monthly bill. Some VPNs use more bandwidth to maintain the connection than other VPNs.

site:ipcamtalk.com, cellular modem, cost, 3g, 4g
4G LTE setup

The poster above is very knowledgable, and offered great technical advice. But LeeB, if you're not technical, it may be too much. Crazy idea: Contact him to see if he'd sell one of his systems.....

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LeeB, I think your situation sparks everyone's interests because of the challenge. Cradlepoints are expensive and can be complicated to configure and maintain, and expensive on a data plan. This is a case where keeping it simple may be the best way to go. A simple solar charging set up with a couple of batteries, much like what you would use on an RV or a boat. Then figure out your internet issue. I like to use Ubiquiti nano stations and for long distances. I think they go up to 10 miles with line of site. I have seen them work with trees in the way and I have seen them not work with trees in the way. They are about $90 for the pair, which seems like they used to be more than that. Amazon.com: Ubiquiti NanoStation loco M2 - Wireless Access Point - AirMax (LOCOM2US): Computers & Accessories. Try a set out and see if you can get them to see each other from a house or location where you have service already.
 
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LeeB,
I wholeheartedly agree w/ bababuoy. Cellular is last resort. It's more expensive equipment, expensive GB/mo plan, trickier tecnically, etc.
If a connection thru neighbor, you can surf in rremotely to view cam, w/o worrying about consume data from a cellular data plan.
Happy researching!
Fastb
 

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I have a question how the mobile security system works? Does it require the internet connection to operate? I have come across an article saying the benefits of the cell phone home security system (Why So Many Home Security Systems Are Now Using Cell Phones | a.p.i. Alarm Inc). But I don't have any idea how it works. I think that it works with the mobile data connection. If so, then it might be a good source for security. You can get the benefits of the security system without the internet connection.
 
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I have a question how the mobile security system works? Does it require the internet connection to operate? I have come across an article saying the benefits of the cell phone home security system (Why So Many Home Security Systems Are Now Using Cell Phones | a.p.i. Alarm Inc). But I don't have any idea how it works. I think that it works with the mobile data connection. If so, then it might be a good source for security. You can get the benefits of the security system with without the internet connection.
@SherW I think you are referencing the use of a cellular network for a burglar alarm system, which would only use a tiny bit of data to transmit a transmit a tripped contact or motion detector.
 

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SherW,
Welcome to the forum!

You can get the benefits of the security system with without the internet connection.
And you get the benefits of a security system without needing a landline, which is what home alarms typically required. Many homes these days don't have a landline!
My daughter is considering a flood detector for her basement. She doesn't have a landline. The flood/water detector would use a cell connection. IoT, the Internet of Things. Many devices are becoming "interent connected" without needing a broadband wired connection or phone line, eg:
- Refrigerator
- Home Alarms
- Vending machines (to indicate when they need re-stocking)
- kiosks (in stores)
- etc

Those applications don't consume a lot of data. Cameras do.

The article you referenced touted the benefits of a cell connection:
- Ability to Monitor Your Home Security System Remotely
- Ability to View Security Camera Feeds Remotely
- Instant Notifications In the Event of an Emergency


I can do all of this without a cell connection. I use my comcast internet connection. Without worrying about consuming data over a cell connection. And it's cheaper.

The article is a little disingenuous. It implies there are unique benefits of using a cell connection. These "benefits" are only benefits for people who don't have an internet connection, or for home alarms, a land line. My home alarm uses my landline. Cheaper ($20/mo) than using cellular, I'm sure....

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