i5-4590 vs i5-3470

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With 4GB of RAM and an SSD, how much difference would I notice between a i5-4590 vs i5-3470 running BI? Shoud I save the $70 difference? This will be dedicated home rig. Currently, I run 3 2 MP cameras on my Kaby lake machine with no issues. Will add 4 more 2-4MP cameras.
 

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Dell has a sale 7010s. With coupon is $125. 128 SSD Includes Win 7
 

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Dell has a sale 7010s. With coupon is $125. 128 SSD Includes Win 7
windows 7 will be obsolete and is also not fully compatible with BI with respect to running as a service and HA.
The 6500 will be at least 3 years newer and will have the ability to run .265 HA when and if its implemented by BI. It also includes 8gb of ram which is what you want. You can probably pick up that system for 150-75 via best offer.
 

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I bid on them both if the ones that were on ebay, so we'll see. It would be nice to have a file sharing machine separate from my rig as well...
 

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HP ProDesk 600 G2 SFF Intel I5-6500 3.2ghz 8GB Ram 1TB HDD No OS Included | eBay
Under 200 via best offer...
Says no OS, but it will install and activate Windows 10 as you can see there's a sticker for Windows 10....
How much are you paying for those systems?
Hi,
I don't install Windows often so I want to see if I understand this...

You believe that this will install and activate Windows 10? Does that require a license purchase? What about Windows 10 pro?

Thanks for the clarification.....
 
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Hi,
I don't install Windows often so I want to see if I understand this...

You believe that this will install and activate Windows 10? Does that require a license purchase? What about Windows 10 pro?

Thanks for the clarification.....
it will activate whatever version of 10 was on there before. you dont need a key...MS stores the activation based on the hardware...any system that had w10 installed will always have a license.
 

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Does anyone have one of these HP Prodesks? Does it offer any remote management?
do you mean at the bios level? see spec sheet...
you can remotely manage any windows machine with something like teamviewer.
 

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Yes. Most of my machines are SuperMicro for that reason. Don't want the wife to see the actual machine-- then she will know I bought something....
i dont understand what you would need to manage that you cant do via teamviewer?
 
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I read somewhere RealVNC had an option that included staying connected during BIOS boot.

I think the Supermicro technology you are referring to is IPMI (see: Intelligent Platform Management Interface - Wikipedia), but lots of systems also have Intel vPro AMT (see: Intel Active Management Technology - Wikipedia). Both are built-into-the-motherboard low-level access interface for remote management of a PC.

I recall reading about security holes in Intel's vPro technology (some are referenced wikipedia) and IPMI has had it's share of security vulnerabilities as well. IPMI is even called "the most dangerous protocol you've never heard of" by IT World (see: IPMI: The most dangerous protocol you've never heard of)

It's hard if you cannot get easy physical access to a machine, but I suppose some combination of IP KVM or autoboot with a network addessable outlet probably could do the trick if you can't make TeamViewer, VNC or Microsofts built-in RDP to work for you.
 

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I read somewhere RealVNC had an option that included staying connected during BIOS boot.

I think the Supermicro technology you are referring to is IPMI (see: Intelligent Platform Management Interface - Wikipedia), but lots of systems also have Intel vPro AMT (see: Intel Active Management Technology - Wikipedia). Both are built-into-the-motherboard low-level access interface for remote management of a PC.

I recall reading about security holes in Intel's vPro technology (some are referenced wikipedia) and IPMI has had it's share of security vulnerabilities as well. IPMI is even called "the most dangerous protocol you've never heard of" by IT World (see: IPMI: The most dangerous protocol you've never heard of)

It's hard if you cannot get easy physical access to a machine, but I suppose some combination of IP KVM or autoboot with a network addessable outlet probably could do the trick if you can't make TeamViewer, VNC or Microsofts built-in RDP to work for you.
Yes, I use IPMI on the SuperMicro boards. I only use it within the LAN: if someone gets into my LAN then them getting IPMI access to my machine would be the least of my worries. Your right though: they could devastate the machine..

I have heard of Intel AMT but I have yet to use it. That is sort of what I am hoping these cheaper machines have.

The advantage of something like IPMI is that I can completely load Windows, or any OS for that matter, over the network. I am not familiar with TeamViewer: but I do use VNC and RDP and those assume the OS is up and operating properly. With IPMI, I open up the IPMI webpage and point it to a local ISO and the OS will load of off that.

An IP KVM is an interesting idea...
 
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