Camera plan + advice needed for in the Netherlands

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Hi Guys,

Im just going to start ride off with the information so i hope you guys want to read it all:

Current situation:
  • Aliexpress 4 "HD" wifi cameras with NVR 1TB
  • 2 cameras hanging: One on the front and one in the back, like 3,5 meters high.
  • 2 spare cameras not in use, because of the future to be wife doesnt want to life in a "prison"
Lightning
  • The front "yard" (is only 2meters by 5,8 meters)has extra light from 1 street light and frontligt
  • The backyard(12 meters by 5,8 meters) have extra light from 8 lights on the fences.
Current cam views:

Front day

Back Day

Front Night
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Back Night


The questions:

As you guys can see, its a small property so not very complicated but i want to upgrade is as you can see the image quality isnt good, and this are only static images. What i want to see with the cams are day and night (preferably full color at night if possible)

Im looking @ these 2 models(any advice or alternatives are welcome):
  1. Dahua-IPC-HDW5231R-ZE-2MP-Starligh
  2. Dahua-IPC-HDW5831R-ZE-4-K-8MP.
Do i "need" the starlight version with my "light" setup? or can i go for the 8mp version and put it on "full color" day and night? I want the most out of my money and i now i dont need to stare down on the MP's but i also would like to have the best image at day and night.

This is from the front, here you can see the streetlight and the yard light from other point of view:



This from the back, you can see the lights on the fences and the camera position.




Im thinking about just replacing the current cams for good ones and a NVR. But i think the cams are to high for IDing people but i also have the element of the wife and the front yard is really small and accessible from every corner so hard to "secure and ID every corner" i think but please drop youre thoughts here. I can use every input

So in short:
-Any input on my camera choice?(i want or 2 of the 8mp or 2 of 2mp starlight)
-Any input on the positions or perhaps a better camera layout?
@ the front i want to see the "garden" and the 2 parkingplaces because thats where i park my beloved car.
@The back i want so see the garden and i places the camera so i can see if something want to enter through the backdoor or windows.
-Which NVR should i choose?

Thanks in advance!
 

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I'm very partial to the 5231R-ZE, especially for the back. The lighting is facing the camera which isn't the best situation for light sources.

You can cover better with two cameras, on opposite sides, so they look back at each other and provide overlapping coverage. The biggest thing is to get them much lower. At the height they're currently at you're never going to get any kind of useful identification. Anything higher than two meters is too high.

I use Blue Iris so I can't make any comment regarding an NVR.
 
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I'm very partial to the 5231R-ZE, especially for the back. The lighting is facing the camera which isn't the best situation for light sources.

You can cover better with two cameras on, opposite sides, so they look back at each other and provide overlapping coverage. The biggest thing is to get them much lower. At the height they're current;y at you're never going to get any kind of useful identification. Anything higher than two meters is too high.

I use Blue Iris so I can't make any comment regarding an NVR.
Thanks for the fast reply Awsum, so for the back you would say 1 5231 for example between the 2 sunscreens a bit above the fence, and the other 1 from the back of the yard aiming to the backdoor?
Does the 5231 doenst mind the lightning in the garden @night? And can they perform in colour mode @night or isnt that recommend?
 

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Dahua-IPC-HDW5831R-ZE-4-K-8MP
If you don't mind the bullet form factor, Dahua has newer 8MP/4K cameras (1831/2831) that use a bigger image sensor (1/1.8") vs the image sensor in the 5831s (1/2.5"). The 1831/2831 models perform better than the 5381s in low-light conditions, but they're still not as good as the Starlights. Unless you have exceptional light at night, I don't think you'd have good luck running either in color mode.

Also Dahua has recently announced a new line of cameras:
Eco-savvy 4.0 AI series(Pro AI)

Some of them are 4MP and look like they have better low-light specs than the 2MP Starlights, and there is a line of models that are "full color":
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/allProducts/1/7107?tab=7157

Unfortunately, these models are so new that nobody's tested them yet (at least not the IPC versions, I think some of these have been available as HAC for a bit)... Hopefully soon there will be more info!
 
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The best way to determine location is to set up a test rig, bucket full of sand/stones with a 2x4 for mounting the camera at various heights. Once you lower the cameras down you'll change the whole perspective, dramatically. I also noticed that you have some wall in view with the front camera. That effects night vision, due to reflected IR, so make sure no wall is in the view with your final installation.
 

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Thanks guys for the fast and informative replays!
@Arisobrat, i dont mind the "form" of a camera. i just want the best result for my money, and i think a dome camera with mounting bracket is easier to install/setup but thats what i think. Most important for me is a good alround camera for day and night. There ar so many choices and reviews on this site i just dont no what to choose xD.

@Awsum, i am going to thats, that a fine idea! But i need to choose a camera first, and i think im going for 2 cameras @ the back, 1 @ the house and one @ placed in the corner near the gate of the fence aiming @ the backdoor of the house.
@ the front i like to have 2 cameras at well, but the wife is giving me a hard time for that, is a PTZ a option or is a good one to "expensive" (im looking for cameras around 150-200 euros each).


Ive added 4 pictures taken with my Iphone so you guys can see what kind of lightning i have @ the front and @The back.

Front from below the cam


Back from the reardoor


back from below the cam


Back from the fencedoor
 

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PTZs can be nice, but they always seem to end up looking in the wrong direction at the worst possible moment. Decent ones, with auto tracking run around $500USD plus they're pretty big and very obvious. What ever you do, don't use WiFi for the camera near the gate. Find a way to get a weather rated CAT wire out to it.

If you don't need audio, consider the 2231R-ZS. It has the same, basic, capabilities as the 5231 minus audio and a second video stream which results in a price about 25 percent lower than the 5231R-ZE. Night time video is on the same level.

As a side note, you may want to check the laws in the Netherlands regarding cameras in public and/or private location and audio recording.
 

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PTZs can be nice, but they always seem to end up looking in the wrong direction at the worst possible moment. Decent ones, with auto tracking run around $500USD plus they're pretty big and very obvious. What ever you do, don't use WiFi for the camera near the gate. Find a way to get a weather rated CAT wire out to it.

Hmm no PKZ then, and im going to use a powerline adapter set to get internet over there, perhaps with a poe injector if necessary. Think that would cover it?

If you don't need audio, consider the 2231R-ZS. It has the same, basic, capabilities as the 5231 minus audio and a second video stream which results in a price about 25 percent lower than the 5231R-ZE. Night time video is on the same level.
I dont need audio, but no second video stream? So that means i can either record it with the NVR/blue iris OR look to the camera with the app? or is the ios app connected through the NVr/Blueiris so i can record and watch?

As a side note, you may want to check the laws in the Netherlands regarding cameras in public and/or private location and audio recording.
Yeah so far ive looked into it, you may film on your own terrain with overlapping, as long if you dont record the sound.
 

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I'll let you know...I'm fooling with a poweline adapter, myself, for a temporary solution in some sheds. I expect to set it up later this afternoon.
 

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Quick report. I just tried setting up the powerline adapter in the shed. The shed is about 100 feet from the house and is fed with a piece of 10/3-UF cable. According to the indicators there is no signal between the two units, house and shed. In the house they worked fine so I'm wondering of the underground feed is playing havoc with the signal.
 

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Thanks guys for the fast and informative replays!
@Arisobrat, i dont mind the "form" of a camera. i just want the best result for my money, and i think a dome camera with mounting bracket is easier to install/setup but thats what i think. Most important for me is a good alround camera for day and night. There ar so many choices and reviews on this site i just dont no what to choose xD.
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Hi @Jeronimo88

Dome cameras can be problematic, so I would go a turret style.
 

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Quick report. I just tried setting up the powerline adapter in the shed. The shed is about 100 feet from the house and is fed with a piece of 10/3-UF cable. According to the indicators there is no signal between the two units, house and shed. In the house they worked fine so I'm wondering of the underground feed is playing havoc with the signal.
In my experience for the best result you have to use the same cable, so in the house you need to tab in the same line as the on going to the shed. Also what kind of brand youre using for powerline?
For me its a lot easier because my house and garden are only 25meters long haha
 

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Turret style for al of them? Could you explain what the advantage is for going turret instead of dome? And any advice on witch one i should go for?
Hi @Jeronimo88

Please see the cliff notes - that should be covered in there, as well as in numerous threads.

Basically plastic domes with foam inside decay in heat and UV resulting in degradation of the dome and the internal foam separator around the lends.. you can search domes here for users showing examples of domes failing to keep the IR light out of the lens after they start getting older...
 
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