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Uhmmm yeah agree, the Red dot X5 is for gun games.... My Bedside gun is a P229 SCT with a Streamlight.

I shoot 2 IDPA matches p/mo and teach classes at least 1x p/mo. I see plenty of Glocks, M&P's and others not go bang. Granted most are due to reloads, but no handgun is immune.
 
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May I ask...what is a RDR? I initially considered a mag lite attachment for future firearms. I guess pro's and con's for every attachment that I'm learning as I go. Gun shop rep told me the flashlight is a pro & con because yes...enables you to identify your target. Con because it identifies your location to your target.
 

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Small pistol mounted red dot optic. Mostly for gun games, not so much for self defense. Though some would argue.

Yep that argument is sorta like Ford vs Chevy.
Im a big proponent of having a weapon mounted light (WML) to be able to identify my target in my home.

Laser's are another option.

Bottom line is get a reliable handgun and train with it, then sort out the various attachments.

WML



Red Dot
 

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@Holbs

re: gun shops - I've found some folks there to be very good regarding recommendations. Maybe just my experience.

re: rental firearms - note, some places the firearms are very worn out, and thus may not give you a proper impression due to the wear.

re: events - some ranges will have events when the vendors bring their products out for the public to try out for a small fee

re: ranges - some folks at ranges are happy to let someone new try out their firearm for a few shots ( good to offer to buy them some ammo ) - depends on the range.

re: shows - you've got a couple of shows coming up in your area. Normally a great chance to find good competitive deals on supplies and firearms ( unlike what the media likes to state - folks at shows do follow the various fed and state laws .. )
reno nv gun show - Google Search
 

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Uhmmm yeah agree, the Red dot X5 is for gun games.... My Bedside gun is a P229 SCT with a Streamlight.

I shoot 2 IDPA matches p/mo and teach classes at least 1x p/mo. I see plenty of Glocks, M&P's and others not go bang. Granted most are due to reloads, but no handgun is immune.
Yep, I also go twice per month to IDPA, I see glocks choke on a regular basis with factory ammo, (even explode) ;) Saw one this past saturday regularly failing to eject.
I see Kimbers that have problems during load and make ready. ;)
Point being, you have to find the gun that fits you and your purpose. And contrary to what many gun owners believe, it is not as simple as buy a gun and a box of ammo, go home and throw it in a drawer and call it good. :(

@mat200 apparently your lucky, I hate going to most gun stores because there is typically so much stupid being said and done and muzzling going on, both occurring behind and in front of the counter, I can't stand to stay long. I don't enjoy having guns pointed at me.

Such as recently heard to a man and his wife, "Sure, that S&W airweight 357 would be a fine gun for your 60'ish 98lb wife for her first ever gun". As her husband is pointing it at me and several others. Grrr.
 

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First: You folks sound like a lot of gun-toting rednecks!



And I LIKE that!

Second, I agree that you need to get a lot of experience with various handguns in particular to figure out what fits you. While I respect the Glocks for being quite reliable in my and friends' experience, I also fall into the "grip angle just doesn't work for me" crowd.

Years ago, my son was hired to be a cop for a nearby town. They require all of their cops to carry a Glock model 22. We went to a local gun shop that catered to LE, and bought two G22s and also couldn't resist getting a couple of the RRA AR-15s that were basically overstock they had left over from outfitting the entire highway patrol for our state, so they were a good price.

Anyhow, my son really liked the Glock 22s, and qualified with the highest qualifying score that PD had ever had. I, on the other hand, have never gotten comfortable with that, or any Glock. Even after shooting it a LOT, I shot (for the first time ever) a friend's similar XD (also chambered in .40S&W) at the range one day, and immediately shot that pistol, on average, 3X better.

Grip angle means a lot for me.

I highly recommend trying a variety of handguns at a range where you can rent pistols. You never know what will fit you until you really take some time. And even after you own some pistols for a long time, try some new ones now and then. Some just work better with one person's body mechanics than others.

Don't expect to do "passive" research and then buy that perfect pistol right off. What works well for a lot of other folks may still not "fit" you. Only a lot of actual shooting will reveal what guns you end up preferring. But doing the "hands-on" research should be a lot of fun!

Hopefully shooting becomes something you really enjoy so you'll go shooting frequently. Shooting a lot, and in various situations is really the best way to become proficient.

Taking a CCW class is a good idea even if you dont plan on carrying. The legal advice can be a real eye opener, and this needs to be specific to your locale. Good CCW training will cover home defense. Ask about what will be taught. Often local ranges will offer a variety of training.

Hopefully you'll find shooting to be a fun hobby and get a lot more out of it than just home security. And hopefully you'll find a good group of competent shooters with whom to associate and shoot. That can be fun, rewarding, and educational.

I know a lot of people get their first gun for self or home defense reasons. And that's OK. But too many times, they think just buying a gun is all they will need to do.

Fortunately, in this area, there are a lot of shooters, and I think most people get a gun with the help of someone they know who is more familiar with shooting. And hopefully they end up with some instruction and a lot of range time as well as time outdoors in the countryside.

I am a huge advocate of hearing protection. Eye protection is also essential. What you see in movies and on TV where people have a shootout in a building or home, and you can hear the spent brass tinkling to the ground, always makes me laugh. That first shot, without hearing protection, especially indoors, and both of your ears will be ringing, and you won't be carrying on a normal conversation for a few days at the least!

And believe me, normal home furnishings and walls will not stop slugs from any of the usual firearms. So you can't hide from the bullets, only from the bad guy's vision. And more importantly, the walls in your house won't keep you or your loved ones, (or the neighbors) safe from errant gunfire.

I've read that the high velocity and small size of typical AR-15 bullets can make them less prone to overpenetration through drywall than most slower, heavier handgun rounds. The claim is that the bullets will self destruct upon impact with the first barrier they encounter.

But I can tell you from experience that normal "ball" AR ammo shoots clean holes right through 1/4" (mild) steel and the rounds remain on course with little or no observable deviation in trajectory, and impact forcefully at least 200 yards past the steel plate, on the next hill! (Shooting out in the country at various targets is quite interesting and informative).

But the main point is that when shooting in a typical house, office, or apartment, I'd be extremely conscious of the potential unintended targets far beyond what you can see.

Home walls and furnishings, despite what you see in movies or on TV, offer very little to no protection to people beyond your intended target.

But I always figure when that home invader sees you come around the corner wearing ear muffs and eye protection, he'll know things are about to get serious, so you probably won't need to fire a single shot. But on the other hand, you NEVER want to point a gun at anyone unless you are prepared to pull the trigger.

As for burglars being really good at defeating home security systems:

30 years ago or more, a friend's dad who was a cop made a comment to us that I believe still holds true. He said you're never going to stop "Al Mundy", but 99% of home burglaries are made by idiots. If someone is really talented and thoughtful, they usually have a real job.

But this probably varies from place to place.

Maybe 45 years ago, my aunt, uncle, and cousins' house was burglarized while they were out of town on vacation. The burglars brought a semi-tractor trailer rig and methodically removed EVERYTHING from their home. It took all day. The neighbors just assumed they were moving!

Apparently, this turned out to be a fairly common thing. They lived in a small town of less than 1000 people. Clearly this wasn't just some local thieves! They had a lot of nice stuff, too. I have to think these guys truly were pros. So who knows?
 

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I've read that more people are killed by .22s than any other caliber. Of course that may simply be because there are more .22s floating around than anything else. But still: I wouldn't want to be shot with one, and I'm pretty sure no crook wants to be either.

Sure, if you're facing a huge PCP-addled madman wearing a lot of layers of leather and denim, the .22 may not have enough "stopping power" to "end the fight" quickly. We all get that.

But he makes the excellent point that the gun you can use is a lot better than the gun you can't.

Personally, I love .22s. I have a lot of them, and enjoy shooting them more than anything else.

Cheap to feed, easy to shoot, low recoil, low noise. Just plain fun!

And for getting someone into the sport, there's nothing better. Who among us doesn't have at least one10-22? :)

And if you don't, you really should consider it.

One of my recent toys is a 10-22 takedown with the Magpul stock and an inexpensive red dot. Talk about put smiles on everyone's faces when they give it a try!

Also, for sheer joy, a .17HMR rifle with a high magnification scope. The recoil is so low that you can watch the bullet impact through the scope. And the accuracy is incredible. When you let a little kid sit at the bench and successfully hit tiny targets at 100 yards, and see the grin on his or her face, it's just great!

Shooting shouldn't be unpleasant.

And every bit of it is good training.
 

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Yep, all the newbs I've "couched", we start out with either a 10-22 or a SR22. ;)
My daughter in law's home defense gun is a Ruger SR22 loaded with CCI Segmented ammo, that smokes at 1640fps.
..Who among us doesn't have at least one10-22? :)

And if you don't, you really should consider it.
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Agreed!

Ruger 10-22 is a great rifle. Highly recommended.

For those new to this topic - I recommend getting a nicer, higher end model if you can afford it.
 
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Me and my neighbor were talking a bit last night. He saw me installing my outside camera's and we started to discuss home defense stuff. This is when he informed me that he has a whole assortment of firearms (pistols, shotgun, rifles) that I can try out with him at a gun range if I wanted to. He moved from Southern California to Northern Nevada and he said it's not just a "want" to have firearms there but a "need" :) But is cool that he has assortment of pistols that I can try out before purchasing my first pistol eventually.
 

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Me and my neighbor were talking a bit last night. He saw me installing my outside camera's and we started to discuss home defense stuff. This is when he informed me that he has a whole assortment of firearms (pistols, shotgun, rifles) that I can try out with him at a gun range if I wanted to. He moved from Southern California to Northern Nevada and he said it's not just a "want" to have firearms there but a "need" :) But is cool that he has assortment of pistols that I can try out before purchasing my first pistol eventually.
Well, there ya go, great. :) Congratulate him for moving from "that" state. ;)
 

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Im a big proponent of having a weapon mounted light (WML) to be able to identify my target in my home.
When we practiced with police firearms units they were trained to use a torch (flash light) held in their 'weak' hand with their arm held out to one side

The theory was that if someone returns fire at night / in darkness, they'll aim at the light ..... with you standing behind it !

Whereas held off to one side there was considerably less risk of being shot in the arm / hand

Obviously this only works if the defender is practiced, competent & accurate to shoot a pistol / revolver single handed

Of course, you could argue that if they're a really bad shot they could still aim at the torch & shoot you in the face

There's risk in everything .... :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
 

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Personally, I love .22s. I have a lot of them, and enjoy shooting them more than anything else.


Shooting shouldn't be unpleasant.
Thoroughly agree - my competition pistol was a Hi-Standard Victor with full rib sighting - won many a competition with it

And your latter point is why, despite being 6'4", I switched from 12-bore to 20-bore

Less recoil, lighter, faster & much more sporting ....... unless you're a pheasant, grouse, rabbit, pigeon or clay ! :winktongue:
 

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When we practiced with police firearms units they were trained to use a torch (flash light) held in their 'weak' hand with their arm held out to one side

The theory was that if someone returns fire at night / in darkness, they'll aim at the light ..... with you standing behind it !

Whereas held off to one side there was considerably less risk of being shot in the arm / hand

Obviously this only works if the defender is practiced, competent & accurate to shoot a pistol / revolver single handed

Of course, you could argue that if they're a really bad shot they could still aim at the torch & shoot you in the face

There's risk in everything .... :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
True it was taught that way for many years, however if you watch what top SWAT and Tier one types do nowadays, they lead with a WML and/or laser.
 

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bigredfish said:
True it was taught that way for many years, however if you watch what top SWAT and Tier one types do nowadays, they lead with a WML and/or laser.
I suppose that's all very well if you get the first shot & make it count

If not, you've just provided a nice target for someone to aim at

Thankfully, I don't shoot at anything that's gonna shoot back :)
 

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I suppose that's all very well if you get the first shot & make it count

If not, you've just provided a nice target for someone to aim at

Thankfully, I don't shoot at anything that's gonna shoot back :)
That's typically not a concern...really.
It's better to have two hands on the gun, then shooting one handed.
Weapon mounted light, train to use it judiciously. Then train some more.
You shouldn't be clearing your house anyway, very dangerous.
 
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