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Slp82

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So gonna try to keep this short...

I was bidding out install costs on four 2231RP-ZS, one 5231R-ZE, and one 5231E-Z12. This one company who showed up said it was no problem, but after talking about my American flag on my house and some patriotic tattoos I have, he asked if I was military. I said no, but almost everyone else in my family is and I support our men and women in the military. So he tells me the owner of their company is ex-military and specialized in optics and cameras while in the military. I checked into the company later and it is in fact veteran owned.

Anyways, he said the owner once in a blue moon does these deals where they install a "state of the art" system thats worth about $20,000 (cameras, install, programming, 5 year warranty, and 5 years of free maintenance) in exchange for one post per month on Nextdoor app, facebook, and Instagram. He said it can be simply one sentence and maybe us post a picture or short video from the system.

So the way this works, is they have a finace company who pays them $20,000 which is taken out in my name (my credit). Then they pay the approx $350 per month every month for 5 years. This is all on a contract that I read over and was honestly short and to the point (no fine print). They even say if for some reason you miss up to 2 months a year, you can simply "make up" those posts by posting a extra post one of the other months. They seem pretty lenient on the terms.

This "$20,000 system" would consist of 5 cameras, 2 PTZ's, a door bell style hardwired camera called "Skybell", and a dedicated license plate reader. I told him I wanted specs on all the cameras. This is what they sent me just a few hours ago:

25x PTZ Camera Specification:

Image Sensor 1/2.8” STARVIS™ CMOS
Image Size 1920(H) x 1080(V), 2 Megapixels
RAM/ROM 1024M/128M
Electronic Shutter 1/1s~1/30,000s
Minimum Illumination Color: 0.005Lux@F1.6; B/W: 0.0005Lux@F1.6; 0Lux@F1.6 (IR on)
S/N Ratio More than 50dB
Video Output N/A
Day / Night Auto(ICR) / Color / B/W
BLC Mode BLC / HLC / WDR(120dB)
White Balance Auto, ATW, Indoor, Outdoor, Manual
Gain Control Auto / Manual
Digital Noise Reduction Ultra DNR (2D/3D)
Privacy Masking Up to 24 areas
Optical Zoom 25x
Digital Zoom 16x
Electronic Image Stabilization (EIS) N/A
Defog Support
Wide Dynamic Range 120dB
DORI Distance
Note: The DORI distance is a “general proximity” of distance which makes it easy to pinpoint the right camera for your needs. The DORI distance is calculated based on sensor specification and lab test result according to EN 62676-4 which defines the criteria for Detect, Observe, Recognize and Identify respectively.
Detect

Observe

Recognize

Identify

1613m(5292ft)

646m(2119ft)

323m(1060ft)

161m(528ft)

Focal Length 4.8mm~120mm
Max. Aperture F1.6 ~ F4.4
Focus Control Auto / Manual
Angle of View H: 62.8° ~ 2.6°
Close Focus Distance 100mm~ 1000mm
IR LEDs 6
IR Distance Distance up to 100m (328ft)
IR On/Off Control Auto/Manual
Pan Range Pan: 0° ~ 360° endless; auto flip 180°
Pan Speed Pan: 0.1° ~200° /s
Tilt Range Tilt: -15° ~ 90°
Tilt Speed Tilt: 0.1° ~120° /s
Number of Preset 300
PTZ Mode 5 Pattern, 8 Tour, Auto Pan ,Auto Scan
Speed Setup Human-oriented focal Length/ speed adaptation
Power Up Action Auto restore to previous PTZ and lens status after power failure
Idle Motion Activate Preset/ Scan/ Tour/ Pattern if there is no command in the specified period
Time Task Auto activation of Preset / Pan / Scan / Tour / Pattern by preset-time
Video Compression H.265+/H.265/H.264+/H.264
Video Resolution 1080P(1920×1080)/720P(1280×720)/D1(704×576/704×480)/CIF(352×288/352×240)
Video Frame Rate
Main stream: 1080P/720P(1 ~ 25/30fps)
Sub stream1: D1/CIF(1 ~ 25/30fps)
Sub stream2: 720P/D1/CIF(1 ~ 25/30fps)

Video Bitrate H.265/H.264: 448K ~ 8192Kbps
Auto Tracking Tracking the specified target
IVS Tripwire, Intrusion,Abandoned/Missing
Tracking Trigger Mode N/A
Tracking Trigger Event Motion detection, Video tampering, Network disconnection, IP address conflict, Illegal access, Storage anomaly
Audio Compression G.711a/G.711Mu/G.726/AAC
Audio In 1CH
Audio Out 1CH
IPC Alarm YES
Alarm In 2CH
Alarm Out 1CH
Ethernet RJ-45 (10XBase-T/100Base-TX)
Network Protocol IPv4/IPv6, HTTP, HTTPS, SSL, TCP/IP, UDP, UPnP, ICMP, IGMP, SNMP, RTSP, RTP, SMTP, NTP, DHCP, DNS,PPPOE,DDNS,FTP, IP Filter,QoS,Bonjour,802.1x
Network Interoperability ONVIF Profile S&G, API
Streaming Method Unicast / Multicast
Network Max. Users 20 users
Storage NAS (Network Attached Storage),Local PC for instant recording, Micro SD card 256GB
Storage Card Micro SD card 256GB
Web Viewer IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari
Management Software Smart PSS, DSS, DMSS
Mobile iPhone, Android
Certifications CE: EN55032/EN55024/EN50130-4
FCC: Part15 subpartB,ANSI C63.4- 2014
UL: UL60950-1+CAN/CSA C22.2,No.60950-1
RS485 N/A
Power Supply DC 12V/3A, PoE+(802.3at)
Power Consumption 13W,20W (IR on)
Operating Temperature -40°C ~ 70°C (-40°F ~ +158°F) / Less than 95% RH
Ingress Protection IP66
Dimensions Φ6.3(in) x 11.6(in)
Weight Net Weight 3kg(6.61lb) Gross Weight 4.2kg(9.26lb)



5MP WDR Turret IP Camera Specifications:

Image Sensor 1/2.7” 5Megapixel Progressive CMOS
Image Size 2592(H) x 1944(V), 5 Megapixels
RAM/ROM 512MB/32MB
Electronic Shutter 1/3s~1/100,000s
Minimum Illumination 0.03Lux/F2.0(Color,1/3s,30IRE)
0.3Lux/2.0(Color,1/30s,20IRE)
0Lux@F2.0 (IR on)
S/N Ratio More than 50dB
Video Output N/A
Day / Night Auto(ICR) / Color / B/W
BLC Mode BLC / HLC / WDR(120dB)
White Balance Auto/Natural/Street Lamp/Outdoor/Manual
Gain Control Auto / Manual
Digital Noise Reduction Ultra 3D DNR
Privacy Masking Off/On (4 Area, Rectangle)
Digital Zoom 16x
Electronic Image Stabilization (EIS) N/A
Smart IR Support
Wide Dynamic Range 120dB
Focal Length 2.8mm (3.6 mm optional)
Max. Aperture F2.0 /F2.0
Focus Control Fixed
Angle of View H: 96°/78°, V: 70°/58°
Close Focus Distance N/A
IR LEDs 12
IR Distance Distance up to 30m (98ft)
IR On/Off Control Auto/Manual
Pan/Tilt Range Pan: 0° ~ 360°; Tilt:0°~90°;Rotation:0°~360°
Event Trigger Motion Detection, Video Tampering, Scene Changing, Network Disconnection, IP Address Conflict, Illegal Access, Storage Anomaly
IVS Tripwire, Intrusion
Power Up Action Auto restore to previous PTZ and lens status after power failure
Video Compression H.265+/H.265/MJPEG(Sub Stream)
Video Resolution 5M(2592x1944)/4M(2688x1520)
Video Frame Rate
Main stream: 5M(1 ~ 15fps)/3M (1 ~ 25/30fps)
Sub stream1: D1(1 ~ 25/30fps)

Video Bitrate H.265:12K~8448Kbps
H.264: 32K ~ 10240Kbps
Audio Compression G.711a/G.711Mu/G.726/AAC
Network Interoperability ONVIF Profile S&G, API
Streaming Method Unicast / Multicast
Network Max. Users 10 users/20 users
Storage NAS (Network Attached Storage),Local PC for instant recording
Web Viewer IE, Chrome, Firefox, Safari
Management Software Smart PSS, DSS, DMSS
Mobile iPhone, Android
Certifications CE: (EN 60950:2000)
FCC: Part15 subpartB
UL: UL60950-1
RS485 N/A
Power Supply DC 12V, PoE (IEEE 802.3af)(Class 0)
Power Consumption < 6W
 
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Appears copied from Dahua spec sheets.

But again this "deal" sounds sketchy.
 

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Really? So you take out a $20,000 loan and expect them to pay it off? When they don't make the first payment who does the lender go after?
I hear what you are saying, but what stops you from taking them to court with that contract? I have already decided not to do it, so I am speaking hypothetically here. They have a store front here in Texas, address and phone number listed on Google, Facebook, and Homeadvisor.com, and to be honest, their reviews rating on all 3 are very high. Maybe they made accounts and made fake reviews?

Some members already identified the PTZ camera... its a Dahua SD49225T-HN

So yes they were lying about the handmade cameras.

Here is their website: Products


Oh also they are a licensed security company in the state of Texas. Their license number is shown on their webpage. It just doesn't add up... maybe they are just charging ridiculous rates for Dahua products? Some of those homes up in the Woodlands, near Conroe where they are, are million dollar homes. Maybe some of those people will pay those crazy prices.
 

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Dang, they literally had someone post their first negative review in over a year, just 30 minutes ago. The guy is saying he paid over $10,000 and they didn't install stuff up to code, didn't use licensed electricians, or give him any warranty information on the products. He is saying he is taking legal action against them.
 

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I hear what you are saying, but what stops you from taking them to court with that contract? I have already decided not to do it, so I am speaking hypothetically here. They have a store front here in Texas, address and phone number listed on Google, Facebook, and Homeadvisor.com, and to be honest, their reviews rating on all 3 are very high. Maybe they made accounts and made fake reviews?

Some members already identified the PTZ camera... its a Dahua SD49225T-HN

So yes they were lying about the handmade cameras.

Here is their website: Products


Oh also they are a licensed security company in the state of Texas. Their license number is shown on their webpage. It just doesn't add up... maybe they are just charging ridiculous rates for Dahua products? Some of those homes up in the Woodlands, near Conroe where they are, are million dollar homes. Maybe some of those people will pay those crazy prices.
What stops you is the cost of litigation and the likelihood that they will disappear. Yes in a perfect world there is fee shifting in these types of cases, but youll likely never collect.
If the facts are anywhere near the way you present them this is complete scam and agient security should be completely ashamed of themselves. Products
First as others have mentioned, this is no 20k system. About 1k in parts. Second asking you to write reviews, which presumably have to be positive and wont mention that you are getting a free system is false advertising in violation of the law and unethical.
Finally, of course their reviews may fake, perhaps they got a bunch of other suckers to write fake reviews for a 1000 dollar system they billed 20k for. I will send these guys a link to this thread so they can explain themselves. It doesnt look good for them. Please post a copy of the contract. FYI there's no maintenance required on cameras or any other part of the system... The promise of free maintenance alone is insane.
 
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I read to the point where it said $20,000 in your name and screamed at my phone “AHHH DON’T DO IT!”

Also, I wouldn’t hire them to install anything at your house...
 

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Hi @Slp82

Feel free to share the proposed contract ( remove your personal info before you do ). I am very curious to see what sort of "out" clause they've slipped into it.
 

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I have a bridge for sale if you would like to buy it. I'll start mailing you the pieces after you pay me, I promise.
 

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All they are doing is marking up the cost by ~10x (roughy/conceptually, don't nit-pick the 10x) and then letting you pay over 5 years. If you make ~6 months of payments, they are break-even and then every payment after that is pure profit to them. Nice scam/way to mark up the pricing by ~10x. If someone is willing to buy my car for $500,000, I'd also finance that deal over 5 years with $10k/month payments. Oh, you also have to give me good online reviews for tricking you into buying my car for $500k.
 

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Here are the specs on the LPR he sent me today:



1/2.8" 3MP WDR IR Bullet Network Camera
Smart H.265+, 7-35mm Lens, 60fps@3MP, IP67, IK10, 328' IR, PoE, AC24V/DC12V, IVS, Micro-SD Slot, Starlight, UL Listed
 
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