Pandemic threat? Anyone else concerned?

Jessie.slimer

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I will agree that many were not wearing masks, so strike that. But I'm not believing he flip flopped on GA because "a couple unknown sources at the WH" leaked it to the media. We've been down that road before... Russia, Ukraine, dossier, cough cough.

Lots of people only get their "news" from garbage like this on FB, Twitter, SNL, etc. Its sad. Yeah Fox pushes some BS too. One channel out of the entire TV lineup though. On cable. And I have no problem if they get called out when they get called out with facts.
 

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I will agree that many were not wearing masks, so strike that. But I'm not believing he flip flopped on GA because "a couple unknown sources at the WH" leaked it to the media. We've been down that road before... Russia, Ukraine, dossier, cough cough.

Lots of people only get their "news" from garbage like this on FB, Twitter, SNL, etc. Its sad. Yeah Fox pushes some BS too. One channel out of the entire TV lineup though. On cable. And I have no problem if they get called out when they get called out with facts.
Like you I've found I need diverse news sources to piece together an accurate and informative picture of what's going on. We'll disagree on several issues... I think the Ukraine thing was a bald faced attempt to leverage his position as president to strong-arm an investigation into his political rival and I think he his impeachment should have led to removal from office. But that's the rear view mirror.

Back to the "declared victory" thing. This is where understanding different viewpoints comes into play. Fortunately for him, he didn't state "we won" or, "mission accomplished." He learned enough from GWB on that score. But his April 16 address was interpreted as being pretty much that. Roll the tape. Here's the statement that much of the country considers his de facto victory declaration:
"We’re starting our life again,” Trump said during his daily press briefing. “We’re starting rejuvenation of our economy again.”

At a time when we were coming up on our first peak, with of 2200 Americans dying each day he's crowing about guidelines to open the economy, which then most governors largely ignored, particularly (but not only) the republican ones. Anyone on the liberal wing and many middle of the road people considered this a form of a victory speech.

Trump's initial approval of the Georgia plan is a matter of record. It's well documented, not fake news. Here's a Time article about it. This was heavily fact checked, much through AP, and is not fake news in any way.


Here's a quote from right after the plan was announced. I've watched the video of this though I don't have the link handy:

When asked Tuesday about Kemp’s decision, Trump supported the governor, saying “He’s a very capable man. He knows what he’s doing. He’s done a very good job as governor.”

Frankly, what I think happened is that Trump didn't bother to read the briefing on the opening and his initial support was probably knee jerk, then over time his staffers showed him how nutty it was with tattoo parlors and spas and stuff. Then he backtracked. Just my speculation, of course.

Anyway, states are opening, some faster than others, and all the models predict we'll gradually start to have increased deaths again, probably peaking between 2000- 3000 deaths per day again. Summer effect of the warm weather is currently unknown. But even now, if you look at "The US minus New York" deaths have been increasing pretty steadily. The NY epicenter is cooling off with nowhere near the close to 1000 deaths per day (100-200 these days), but most days the US as a whole is still over 1500. Of course weekend periodicity in the data is seen, so really looking at weekly averages is the way to go.

Let's see how it goes. I know my positions may be unpopular here but I call 'em as I see 'em. I am very open to changing my views based on data... and in the meantime I wish you guys well. Back to work for the rest of the day though, so you won't hear much from me today!
 

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Wuhan will test all 12Millons people within 1 week, to find the truth???
Fast shipping way right now to North American is very very slow now , the worst I never see before.
DHL shipping also need 2 weeks+ now. The USPS we shipped some in March, right now still not know where they are at now. The shipping cost has 100%-200% increasing compare to March.
I think at least have to let those important industy people back to work, or else everything will go crashing.
Shipping speed to Europe is much faster now.
 

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It's not just from China with USPS. We ordered stamps directly from USPS rather than go in to a Post Office on April 13th. The stamps have been in limbo twice now and STILL have not made it here. We opened a ticket on the first and then again on the second loss of movement. "But, but, but... Covid-19" is the new battle cry for poor service.
 

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Hi guys-

Interesting article citing recent research in Indiana checking for Covid infection and antibody generation.


Before you start in about lame stream media, they praise Governor Holcomb's (R) data-based reopening strategy.

The interesting data show just under 3% total exposure in a random sampling, with 1.7% actively infectious and another 1.1% showing antibodies from earlier infections.

The data show that 10 out of every 11 infections are missed clinically so there are a lot of asymptomatic carriers out there. Total infection death rate estimated at 0.58% versus the ~6% case fatality rate we have here.

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This kind of cracked me up.....
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Hi @sdkid

Not certain how that would crack anyone up who has looked at the real data on this subject. The analogy is completely incorrect and absolutely wrong.

The cloth mask does a couple of things
1) Stops the wearer from sneezing coughing splitting and spreading droplets and micro-droplets all over which ever place they are at.
2) Reduces those particles from other people from getting into the wearers mouth

Depending on the design and build of the mask it can be very effective.
( 2 layers of cloth, and pocket with a paper towel in = very effective for defensive )

Some of our hospitals were forced to DIY their own masks.

Having populations wear masks have been clearly show scientifically to reduce the spread of droplet and micro-droplets and reduce the spread of the flu as well as this corona virus.

There is significant scientific data on this topic.

The sooner we effectively find a way to get the R0 down below 1 the sooner we can over come this and get the economy back.

Here's a good start on the subject:

Here's a good video of the issue:

Here's an image of 2 people just talking and you can see the micro-particles moving. The wuhan virus is carried in those micro-particles.

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LOL... it was a joke dude. I understand that masks don't stop virus particles-- they stop droplets. Thanks for the micro-particle physics lesson though. :headbang:
Not even close to a decent joke.. way off.

This is better...
 

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The whole societal wide application of "everyone wears a mask" theory is simply to get those infected to blow the airborne droplets back in their own face. Thereby reducing P2P transmission. It has 0 to do with preventing individual infections; because pretty much any mask or respirator system which does not filter down to 1 micron is useless for these purposes.
 

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I have been wondering about this myself after doing more reading on masks that I thought I would ever do. I understand that face coverings block droplets. But what about the aerosolized individual virons that are smaller than the pores in cotton material? Experts are now saying covid can be aerosolized. Ive looked for conclusive studies showing that masks block all virus transmission but cannot find anything.
 

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An interesting analysis of the numbers -

These counties are restricted to the Northeast Corridor from Philadelphia to Boston. Think the Amtrack corridor and that is the area.

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I haven't bothered to go to the article because DS is so biased, but while the analysis seems correct I'm not sure of the point.

Is it implying that 15% of the population who live in the green counties are somehow safe due to few cases in residents living in those counties?



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I have been wondering about this myself after doing more reading on masks that I thought I would ever do. I understand that face coverings block droplets. But what about the aerosolized individual virons that are smaller than the pores in cotton material? Experts are now saying covid can be aerosolized. Ive looked for conclusive studies showing that masks block all virus transmission but cannot find anything.
Simple masks definitely don't block all transmission, not even close. But they block most and greatly reduced the spread of what does get out, so they are worthwhile in the context of public masking in stores and other social contexts.

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I have been wondering about this myself after doing more reading on masks that I thought I would ever do. I understand that face coverings block droplets. But what about the aerosolized individual virons that are smaller than the pores in cotton material? Experts are now saying covid can be aerosolized. Ive looked for conclusive studies showing that masks block all virus transmission but cannot find anything.
Mass ignorance is bliss? Masks do not stop transmission, they just attempt to minimize the likelihood large amounts of virus particles are not spewed unhindered into the air where it may potentially infect someone/something else. It's a crude means to decrease R loads at scale. Thus they can deal with whoever becomes infected and sick enough to require care without stressing the " larger healthcare system."

The policymakers could care less if you catch it or not. The only point they care about is keeping the systemic and resource stress levels below the breaking point. If people die, as a result, they are fine with that and telling all of us that implicitly via actions rather than explicitly.

The + from their viewpoint is that if people believe in their naivete that they are preventing their own infection from wearing useless generic masks and pressure others around them to do so... It's a win-win for them anyway.
 

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frankenscript -

I haven't bothered to go to the article because DS is so biased, but while the analysis seems correct I'm not sure of the point.

Is it implying that 15% of the population who live in the green counties are somehow safe due to few cases in residents living in those counties?


No, it's simply stating that the majority of deaths have occurred in those 30 counties and that the 15% number have died in the other 1,900+ counties across the country. If plain numbers can be trusted, of course. Those numbers are dependent on the veracity of the reporting authorities which have been questioned, with some good reasons, from time to time regarding the actual cause of death. It is interesting to see how concentrated the infection and death rates are to a specific geographical area though. That was my intent in posting this and not to "make" you read a heavily "biased" source.
 
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It is interesting to see how concentrated the infection and death rates are to a specific geographical area though. That was my intent in posting this and not to "make" you read a heavily "biased" source.
LOL.... exactly. I live in South Dakota. we primarily have ONE county that has the bulk of all cases in our state. Liberals in that one county want Governor Noem to shut down the entire state. Yeah. Not happening--- Because COMMON SENSE tells you that a tiny town of 400 people with no cases within a hundred miles does not need to follow the same guidelines as a city of 180,000 people that has 2,500 cases.

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