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ljw2k said:
Trade £117 let's see what the Chinese sellers come back @

Hikvision does not allow anyone, or consider them authorized to sell our products on open internet platform such as eBay, Amazon, Aliexpress, Snapdeal etc.

Before purchasing Hikvision products from an organisation, all customers should satisfy themselves that the company is “authorized”. You should also consider if you are willing to risk your security systems by knowingly buying a product that could fail to safeguard the assets it was supposed to protect. The benefits of buying through authorized partners are clear:

  • Outdated & modified firmware versions
  • Zero official support
  • Non upgradeable firmware
  • Buggy menus and performance
  • No warranty whatsoever
  • Malware or backdoors in equipment
  • No Support
In addition to the above issues, a faulty Hikvision Grey Market Camera or NVR will then be subject to-

  • Returning the camera to China (at your expense)
  • Awaiting a non official replacement from China
  • Storefront may have disappeared by the time a return is needed


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I would back ljw2k in saying, if you don't want the risk of losing your equipment should it go faulty due to it being so expensive to return or other things as above, then clearly their is only one choice. But Andy is cheaper, sometimes even cheaper than a trade supplier. The equipment always comes in mint condition and Andy always is on top with supplying firmware etc to the forum. I have bought and will continue to buy of him. You simply have to choose based on risk levels etc.
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Trade £117 let's see what the Chinese sellers come back @

Hikvision does not allow anyone, or consider them authorized to sell our products on open internet platform such as eBay, Amazon, Aliexpress, Snapdeal etc.

Before purchasing Hikvision products from an organisation, all customers should satisfy themselves that the company is “authorized”. You should also consider if you are willing to risk your security systems by knowingly buying a product that could fail to safeguard the assets it was supposed to protect. The benefits of buying through authorized partners are clear:

  • Outdated & modified firmware versions
  • Zero official support
  • Non upgradeable firmware
  • Buggy menus and performance
  • No warranty whatsoever
  • Malware or backdoors in equipment
  • No Support
In addition to the above issues, a faulty Hikvision Grey Market Camera or NVR will then be subject to-

  • Returning the camera to China (at your expense)
  • Awaiting a non official replacement from China
  • Storefront may have disappeared by the time a return is needed


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The price is before VAT and delivery. Orders over £500 are normally free delivery. Just incase anyone did not realize that by the way :)
 
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ljw2k said:
Trade £117 let's see what the Chinese sellers come back @

Hikvision does not allow anyone, or consider them authorized to sell our products on open internet platform such as eBay, Amazon, Aliexpress, Snapdeal etc.

Before purchasing Hikvision products from an organisation, all customers should satisfy themselves that the company is “authorized”. You should also consider if you are willing to risk your security systems by knowingly buying a product that could fail to safeguard the assets it was supposed to protect. The benefits of buying through authorized partners are clear:

  • Outdated & modified firmware versions
  • Zero official support
  • Non upgradeable firmware
  • Buggy menus and performance
  • No warranty whatsoever
  • Malware or backdoors in equipment
  • No Support
In addition to the above issues, a faulty Hikvision Grey Market Camera or NVR will then be subject to-

  • Returning the camera to China (at your expense)
  • Awaiting a non official replacement from China
  • Storefront may have disappeared by the time a return is needed


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I do understand that when buying from China it will be very difficult to get any kind of support.

But, I do not understand why fear-mongering is so strong in Western countries.

Even when you buy from an authorized retailer, all of these cameras still come from China.
 
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Bulat said:
I do understand that when buying from China it will be very difficult to get any kind of support.

But, I do not understand why fear-mongering is so strong in Western countries.

Even when you buy from an authorized retailer, all of these cameras still come from China.
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Yeah, mine came from a supplier and still came in a ugly box, not like that nice Hikvision box :). Come on Dahua, this must go down as the most un inspiring box I have ever received LOL. I take from it, it's made by Dahua and it contains a Video Recorder.
 

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Bro you already posted that on the 5th page chill out already. You sound like a broken record.
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First thing I am not your Bro!!

This was not for your information but @Bullat who must of missed my previous post. If you think I sound like a broken record why are you replying to my post with a non constructive reply as this will only to initiate an argument.
 
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Look both ways when crossing the street. Dont eat yellow snow!
 
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I just want to buy a camera at the best price, but I still need a quality product.

Guys, let's be civil, we here to help each other and enjoy a casual conversation.
 
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Night-Owl said:
Are you in UK or another country Bulat ?. Purely asking is if their were a significant no. In the UK wanting this camera and as I am not doing anyone over because Andy cannot get the camera to end of March. I would consider asking the supplier if I could sell onto UK forum members at cost price. They might not object if I am not making a profit. They might say no though, so feeling the water, as they say. Only had the 2.8mm when I checked on Monday.
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Oh, that would be just great. If I understand you correctly, if I want to buy this camera from you, I need a UK shipping address? Which I have.
 
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Bulat said:
Oh, that would be just great. If I understand you correctly, if I want to buy this camera from you, I need a UK shipping address? What I have.
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I will ask the supplier, if it's ok, you would pay me the cost price including vat and delivery to me plus cost of delivery to yourself in UK, which you can arrange yourself if you want. If item goes wrong in 3 years you would have to return to me so I can return to supplier though. I will find out if this is acceptable first with supplier as I am not willing to lose an account for helping someone out clearly :)
 
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I will ask the supplier, if it's ok, you would pay me the cost price including vat and delivery to me plus cost of delivery to yourself in UK, which you can arrange yourself if you want. If item goes wrong in 3 years you would have to return to me so I can return to supplier though. I will find out if this is acceptable first with supplier as I am not willing to lose an account for helping someone out clearly :)
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It would be nice to know when the 4mm and 6mm variants can be expected.
 
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Bulat said:
It would be nice to know when the 4mm and 6mm variants can be expected.
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4mm they told me maybe month or 2 and 6mm they told me 'never' stocking. But situations change. I am holding out for 4mm version but you have seen by the above that nothing wrong with 2.8, simply a case of what you need for your needs, just checked site and 2.8 showing out of stock already :(, I will double check tomorrow though. These cameras must be super popular.
 
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My choice with G1/G2 cams been 4mm. I found that 4mm is giving me a good 90 degree coverage, 2.8mm is just way too wide and loosing far detail
 
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As a general question, when I read the spec sheets for DOF, I see things like: 4mm: 7m - infinity. Does that mean the camera cannot focus on objects closer than 7m? I was thinking I'd like to go with the 4mm version of this camera to get a close view of faces, but the camera mounting location will be approximately 4m from the subjects.

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Does anyone know of a source to purchase these in the USA through an authorized distributor? I see B&H photo sells the non-mic version, but I'd like the -L(U) with the mic.
 
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Kevin Doe said:
As a general question, when I read the spec sheets for DOF, I see things like: 4mm: 7m - infinity. Does that mean the camera cannot focus on objects closer than 7m? I was thinking I'd like to go with the 4mm version of this camera to get a close view of faces, but the camera mounting location will be approximately 4m from the subjects.
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Don't know what this rating means but you won't have problem identifying someone even within 1 meter. Actually I have 18 ft of driveway and with 4mm lens it's a bit difficult to get good facial recognition beyond 18 ft. It gives me good angle though in my overall coverage. I have another camera that's zoomed in to take care of that area.
 
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Night-Owl said:
Contact Andy via PM etc, his response times are normally good. I have never ordered via the website, always directly, he sends a PayPal Invoice and the goods are send via FedEx as soon as payment is received. Not sure if theirs any differences in pricing or something via ordering via the website though. Someone else might be able to advise regarding that.
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Thanks for this tip. I was able to purchase 3 of them via PM from Andy on Sunday night. I received them THREE days later from China to US via Fedex. I can't even get stuff from a few states away that quick. Crazy.
Wanted to follow up on the quality of this camera from Andy, it's great. I also had the 4mp 2347g and 8mp 2831TM. All pictures attached are the same settings, including 1/120 resolution, no WDR etc., noise resolution at 45, LEDS off automatically. I have no motion blur with moving objects in any of them. Lighting is two lights on each side of the garage where the 2831TM is, and an overhead light on the steps. Pictures taken in normal dark night sky. The difference in brightness even between the 2347 and 2087g2 is noticeable, and keep in mind it's going from 4mp to 8mp and the 8mp still outperforms in brightness. The quality going from the 4mp to the 8mp is night and day. Much clearer picture. Just figured I'd share the difference in these cameras for anyone else wondering.
 

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ZeeCam said:
Don't know what this rating means but you won't have problem identifying someone even within 1 meter. Actually I have 18 ft of driveway and with 4mm lens it's a bit difficult to get good facial recognition beyond 18 ft. It gives me good angle though in my overall coverage. I have another camera that's zoomed in to take care of that area.
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Kevin Doe said:
As a general question, when I read the spec sheets for DOF, I see things like: 4mm: 7m - infinity. Does that mean the camera cannot focus on objects closer than 7m? I was thinking I'd like to go with the 4mm version of this camera to get a close view of faces, but the camera mounting location will be approximately 4m from the subjects.

Also,
Does anyone know of a source to purchase these in the USA through an authorized distributor? I see B&H photo sells the non-mic version, but I'd like the -L(U) with the mic.
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16ft you'll be able to identify a person you know, but to zoom in and identify a random person when necessary will become more pixelated - especailly at night. I'd go with a 6mm for that, (8mm would be ideal but you'd need a variable zoom camera to get that i belive). I posted some pictures of my camera in the post above with 4mm. The distance to the car from the camera is probably about 20ft to give you an idea. A 6mm would give you a more zoomed in view while at that distance only removing a couple feet in every direction.
 
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Brad Palmquist said:
I'm glad you mentioned this in your post and I wanted to share my experience with gray market cams.

This is NO WAY is meant to bash Andy, but only to warn others of my experience. A couple years ago I bought some Dahua 5831 turrets and an NVR from Andy. The NVR was having problems once I received it and I called Dahua for troubleshooting help. They asked for the serial number and I provided it from the sticker on the bottom of the machine. They then had me navigate to the serial number in the software of the NVR, which was different from the sticker on the unit. He immediately asked where I bought it from and I explained. He obviously advised me this was NOT an authentic unit and would not provide further help.

I notified Andy of the issue and he offered to refund my money if I shipped the items to someone in like Pennsylvania or somewhere near there. I didn't feel comfortable doing that, so I was stuck. The camera quality has always sucked and has never seemed as good as an 8mp camera should, even in perfect lighting conditions. This was a waste of over $1,500 bucks and is what led me to get access to a Hik authorized distributor as I will NEVER buy Dahua, or gray market again.

Again, I am not blaming Andy as I don't know how this happened to me, but it did happen. So if someone is looking to spend good money on quality items, I personally would recommend spending a bit more to guarantee you get authentic items, and the ability to return them without fear of not getting your money back.
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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Are you allegeding this was a grey market oem or a fake copy able to take OEM firmware?

Personally, I've only ever had 1 dealing with Andy, and it was a gift. He was rapid, responsive and excellent in both shipping and communication.
 
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I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here. Are you allegeding this was a grey market oem or a fake copy able to take OEM firmware?

Personally, I've only ever had 1 dealing with Andy, and it was a gift. He was rapid, responsive and excellent in both shipping and communication.
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I'm not alleging anything. I'm explaining what happened to me. Received an Dahua NVR, which the sticker serial # didn't match the software embedded serial #. Dahua rep told me this would never occur from an authentic unit.

Obviously something was off, and not simply an OEM vs brand issue as the unit was branded Dahua. I asked for a refund and he told me to ship the units to some house across the country. Which after being given some BS unit, I didn't trust I'd actually get my money back if I shipped them. So shame on me for buying gray market. After that, I got access to a couple distributors to buy wholesale authentic units and not ever get screwed again.
 
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Thanks for this tip. I was able to purchase 3 of them via PM from Andy on Sunday night. I received them THREE days later from China to US via Fedex. I can't even get stuff from a few states away that quick. Crazy.
Wanted to follow up on the quality of this camera from Andy, it's great. I also had the 4mp 2347g and 8mp 2831TM. All pictures attached are the same settings, including 1/120 resolution, no WDR etc., noise resolution at 45, LEDS off automatically. I have no motion blur with moving objects in any of them. Lighting is two lights on each side of the garage where the 2831TM is, and an overhead light on the steps. Pictures taken in normal dark night sky. The difference in brightness even between the 2347 and 2087g2 is noticeable, and keep in mind it's going from 4mp to 8mp and the 8mp still outperforms in brightness. The quality going from the 4mp to the 8mp is night and day. Much clearer picture. Just figured I'd share the difference in these cameras for anyone else wondering.
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Excellent news, so Andy has these in now ?
 
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