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My next door neighbor is becoming more aware of vehicle crime increasing in the neighborhood and wants to upgrade his 2 cameras: Ring doorbell and wireless above garage door.
I showed him my setup (Dahua 5442's, 5231's etc) with Blue Iris. He likey.
However, I would not be too keen on explaining to him my setup as it's way down the DIY rabbit hole. So an NVR package would more suitable. Something like set it and forget it.
I know Dahua cameras, but no other brands such as Hikvision or Axxis. I know local contractors who go all in on Hikvision. I know Home Depot & Lowe's (big named corporations) go with Axxis...so I would feel more comfortable telling him to buy a Dahua NVR package.
I've never purchased a NVR package kit. What cameras come with these? Are wireless cameras also an option?
And since it's not a Blue Iris machine...how does the Dahua NVR setup & GUI work? AOK?
 
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dont know, maybe he give you some discount for a package...
a friend bought 10 x 5442 and 1x 16 POE 5216 from him... and 2 x skyhawk harddrive from local seller... i looked into it, was impressed how good nvr works...
also it seems that it is plug&play like reolink...

i never ask him for discount :D for me the prices are so low, i have no idea how he can even live from it... 5442 is sold here for around 500-600 european rubels, he take 130-180 including tax and shipping (depends on model)

according to post here @bigredfish is using some nvr ... i think he like them too
 
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the CPU on 5216 series seems so powerful, that you can upgrade a "software factory update" for around +15USD more , then you can use 32 channels with own poe switch

difference on 5x series are only small..
some have poe, some have AI, some have more alarm inputs .....
i would buy min. 16 channels, because the price increase according to 8 channel is really small.
maybe all nvr are using the same hardware, only software update lol

aliexpress page is a bit confusing, because there are many nvrs listed in some strange categories and you have to click on all to understand what the differences are between the models...

but if you go 5442 , you dont need Ai features, because nvr can use "smd/ivs" features from camera... only if you want to connect other cameras without ai features, then the nvr is used for detection

only minus for me... you cannot use sunset script... and no one wants nvr and run a windows machine 24/7...
i will make a raspberry pi (zero) script for my friend... less power consumption
 
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Hi Holbs

I've just embarked on the nvr and camera route myself. Starting out I'm learning as I go. See threads

New system advice

Hi all I have been looking a long time in the forums reading up on cctv and I'm ready to take the plunge and install a new system I think. I am hoping you more knowledgeable bunch will keep me right. I have cat5e cables run to all the locations shown in pictures. My thoughts so far 1 off NVR...
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New system installation

Hi all Continuing on from other thread new system advice im awaiting delivery of cams and nvr from Andy. Initially i plan to bench test the system before installing the camera at the fixed locations. No network connection at all. I remember reading posts about the initial nvr set up but can't...
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I'm planning on installing, fine tuning, expanding with more cameras and then leaving it do its thing. I hope the dedicated nvr will be easier used, managed and maintained as opposed to the PC blue iris set up. I say this with the knowledge that a PC / blue iris has many advantages, is continuously developed and is more adaptable but i don't want to go down that rabbit hole either lol

Thus far the advice given here has been invaluable.

Griswald
 
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I would definitely go with Dahua over hikvision. the cameras are better, the mounts are better. I particularly like the turret ('eyeball') style 5442 cams with the 203/204 wall mounts. the HiKvision wall mount is big, clunky, and ugly. when you go with a canned NVR like that, you want to stick with the same brand cameras as the NVR or you'll be having technical issues with integration.
 
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Holbs said:
My next door neighbor is becoming more aware of vehicle crime increasing in the neighborhood and wants to upgrade his 2 cameras: Ring doorbell and wireless above garage door.
I showed him my setup (Dahua 5442's, 5231's etc) with Blue Iris. He likey.
However, I would not be too keen on explaining to him my setup as it's way down the DIY rabbit hole. So an NVR package would more suitable. Something like set it and forget it.
I know Dahua cameras, but no other brands such as Hikvision or Axxis. I know local contractors who go all in on Hikvision. I know Home Depot & Lowe's (big named corporations) go with Axxis...so I would feel more comfortable telling him to buy a Dahua NVR package.
I've never purchased a NVR package kit. What cameras come with these? Are wireless cameras also an option?
And since it's not a Blue Iris machine...how does the Dahua NVR setup & GUI work? AOK?
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Hi @Holbs

NVRs while not perfect, are a decent option for many imho. ( I went with a NVR5216-16p-4Kxx model when I needed to quickly setup a system and did not quickly find a good used PC .. picked up a 4TB WD Purple from Amazon / local Frys B&M and the cameras from Andy, cable was bulk from monoprice .. tools from Monoprice also, as well as jacks, Trendnet patch panel - I also ran a couple of ethernet jacks inside .. Dahua and Amcrest Dahua OEM cameras just plugged in and worked when I set it up .. was fairly straight forward .. junction boxes sourced from Andy / Lorex / other .. )

DIY Cable run is a bit of work for many folks ..
 
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for sure, DIY NVR's, using a mid-aged mini PC and BI are probably more expensive than most turnkey NVRs. I think I paid $300 something for a HP EliteDesk Mini 800g2 w/ 16GB ram and a Core I7-6700 and another something for a 2TB 2.5" disk (the HP came with a 256GB M.2 SSD for the boot device). Between that, the 2 4+2 port PoE+ gigE switches, and the long runs of outdoor UV safe premium Cat6 cables, I'm probably over $500 before cameras. actually, more like $600. I managed to ruin 2 100 ft cat6's with my staple gun, AFTER routing and hooking up. (hint, if you must use staples, use a T25 stapler NOT T18!!) do note, stapling ethernet cable is NOT good practice, you should use plastic cable tiedowns, like these...

 
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HP EliteDesk Mini 800g2
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There is a reason to not using these devices... they cannot hold 3.5" harddrives and only wdpurple / seagate skyhawk are rated for the continuous write activity from several streams.
i have seen some normal harddrives of nvrs fail after short time (1 year).. maybe you will notice it, maybe not. problem if you need footage and its corrupted. corrupt video data is a serious problem,... this is also a huge problem of sdcards... but they die from one day to another


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for sure. but not all people want to play around with BI .. if you know someone to set it up, i would use BI.
deepstack and other functions are 100% better on BI.. but if you need only basic surveillance... :idk:
i would think twice. anytime something is going on you have to ask someone or go into forums... :wtf:
 
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There is a reason to not using these devices... they cannot hold 3.5" harddrives and only wdpurple / seagate skyhawk are rated for the continuous write activity from several streams.
i have seen some normal harddrives of nvrs fail after short time (1 year).. maybe you will notice it, maybe not. problem if you need footage and its corrupted. corrupt video data is a serious problem,... this is also a huge problem of sdcards... but they die from one day to another
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yeah, I found that out after getting it, and worse, the 2TB 2.5" disk I got turned out to be SMR (head plant on desk!). if/when it dies, I'll probably hack an external 3.5 esata drive onto it.

I'm only recording on motion triggers, so there's rarely more than 2-3 recordings going on at once, and only a few dozen 30 sec to 1 min clips a day. I'm archiving video over a few hours old onto my NAS, which is running NAS grade drives in a ZFS raid.
 
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Dahua NVR's are good to go with, but still too difficult for people who are not into networking and IP-camera's. But, when you set it up correctly, it is just working and keeps working.

When you want it really easy Dahua's IMOU is more the choice for your neighbour. It is using only SD-cards and QR-codes. So easy even my mom could set it up.
 
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Problem is... if he is going to decide to do hardwiring for any cameras... he will ask me :) I have no problem doing such. Just #37 on my to-do list.
I'm waiting to see what kind of budget he may go for. I fear, he will do the usual "but at Costco, this one camera system is $79!". Hoping he says $1000 or so.
 
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My Superstitious Vietnamese Housemate, powercycled our Coscto Nightowl DVR over and over last week while praying to Buddha to make the APP wake up again. It just works when it wants to. It has a 1 Star rating on the App Store. Apparently Buddha must know HMTL.... and Linux:cool:
 
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My Superstitious Vietnamese Housemate, powercycled our Coscto Nightowl DVR last week while praying to Buddha to make the APP wake up again. It just works when it wants to. It has a 1 Star rating on the App Store.
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luckily, I can show him my camera images day & night to help him realize such terrible thoughts! But it always comes down to the size of the wallet.
 
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