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Q2U said:

So, essentially, instead of discouraging 9 out of 10 thieves you want to watch more than 1 bad guy steal your stuff.

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Well, this is getting off topic here:

I don't think a camera discourage thieves in 90% of all cases.
If they want to rob you, they will. In the backyard stood two cars when they tried to get in the house. For me this means, hey maybe there's someone at home, they tried anyway.

Luckily I was at home at this time. To make it short, I was upstairs, heared weird noises from the backyard, switched on the outdoor light saw two people with the trash barrel going to the kitchen window, prior they tried to get in trough the bath window. Off course they fled, before I realized what exactly happend.

cameras are hardly a deterrent.. its not like they are your employees and you have all there contact info to give to police.

they are fully aware that the vast majority of residental video systems are complete and total garbage, they likely have one of there own running.

cameras are passive security, unless you are watching the video feed in real time they will not do anything at all to prevent or stop crime.

nayr said:

cameras are hardly a deterrent.. its not like they are your employees and you have all there contact info to give to police.

they are fully aware that the vast majority of residental video systems are complete and total garbage, they likely have one of there own running.

cameras are passive security, unless you are watching the video feed in real time they will not do anything at all to prevent or stop crime.

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I disagree Nayr; although this is an anecdotal story it supports my contention. People who believe they are being watched are more likely to behave themselves...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-22270052

thats in Big Brother Britain, where CCTV is like air.. I dont trust any stats they release on its effectiveness, because its bullshit they have to makeup to justify the billion megapixels they have deployed.. It has not had as big of an impact on crime prevention as the'd like you to believe.

Go browse through the capture section if you want a bunch of anecdotal video's of the criminal looking right into the camera and continuing on committing the crime like it didnt even exist..

Relying on appearances to imply security is a poor way of going about things, why bother locking the front door.. just close it and it looks like its locked.. why'd I spend thousands on video surveillance when I coulda put up a bunch of fake cameras for less than $100

nayr said:

they are fully aware that the vast majority of residental video systems are complete and total garbage, they likely have one of there own running.

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Exactly and I am pretty sure they also read this forum and know that people invest heavily in these Hikvision/Dahua noisy cams

Only the basically honest or potentially guilt-ridden behave themselves in front of cameras. Most criminals don't care. They will choose theft in front of a camera over withdrawal any day. If they forgot their masks that day and you have a bunch of lit signs on your lawn and obvious cameras up well then it probably works half decently to at least move them down the street. Most are so stunned (or stoned) that they will walk onto your property and not even be looking for cameras, even the obvious ones.

nayr said:

...Relying on appearances to imply security is a poor way of going about things, why bother locking the front door.. just close it and it looks like its locked.. why'd I spend thousands on video surveillance when I coulda put up a bunch of fake cameras for less than $100

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You have a propensity for exaggeration sometimes Nayr. Who suggested not locking the front door? I've written in the past that I believe good security is layered; locks, dogs, guns, lights, cameras, landscaping and signs all play a role in establishing good security. Who doesn't consider the implications of an NRA sticker on a car or a residence? Only an idiot in my opinion. Therefore, if you want to state that idiots are not deterred by security cameras then I'd have to agree with you. Otherwise, I have to disagree.

Q2U said:

Who doesn't consider the implications of an NRA sticker on a car or a residence? Only an idiot in my opinion. Therefore, if you want to state that idiots are not deterred by security cameras then I'd have to agree with you. Otherwise, I have to disagree.

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I wasent suggesting to leave your door unlocked, I was suggesting that a camera's visible presence is as effective as a deadbolts visible presence.. its not much use at all if its not actually being used.

I argue a NRA sticker on a car or residence tells criminals which houses and cars to break into to and find firearms.. hell we just had our LEO's send out a warning that gangbangers are targeting houses with 'Patriotic' imagery because they are the most likely to have a stash of weapons.. You also tipped your hand and told anyone considering kicking your door down to come prepared for a gunfight.

Kawboy12R said:

...They will choose theft in front of a camera over withdrawal any day...Most are so stunned (or stoned) that they will walk onto your property and not even be looking for cameras, even the obvious ones.

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I don't disagree with this. But at this stage of the game the locks, the dogs and the guns come into play and the cameras -- which have probably been tasked and installed incorrectly (for evidential video anyway) -- are only good for the authorities to try and prosecute you for shooting the criminals.

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...I argue a NRA sticker on a car or residence tells criminals which houses and cars to break into to and find firearms.. hell we just had our LEO's send out a warning that gangbangers are targeting houses with 'Patriotic' imagery because they are the most likely to have a stash of weapons.. You also tipped your hand and told anyone considering kicking your door down to come prepared for a gunfight.

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I acknowledge that this is not a point without some merit. However, I simply cannot accept the belief that a non-stoned individual of average intelligence would choose my house with cameras over my neighbor's house without cameras.

Which house would the profoundly stoned criminal moron choose: the house with the Cane Corso in the yard or the house without?

Is this not deterrence?

Q2U said:

I acknowledge that this is not a point without some merit. However, I simply cannot accept the belief that a non-stoned individual of average intelligence would choose my house with cameras over my neighbor's house without cameras.

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accept this then, any non-stoned individual of average intelligence would choose a career path that does not involve any risk of getting your face blown off.

Q2U said:

Which house would the profoundly stoned criminal moron choose: the house with the Cane Corso in the yard or the house without?

Is this not deterrence?

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Thats a deterrent because it will bite you in the ass, your camera however will not do any harm to anyone.. and can be defeated by a cheap bandana.

Mount the camera on a Cane Corso and you've got a deterrent...and a movie that some sick MoFos may pay to watch.

deterrents are simply about not appearing soft, while a camera's presence does imply some sort of hardness.. a lack of a camera does not imply any kind of softness, infact a lack of a camera can imply hardness too.. take for example, you can tell an employee (sitter, serviceman) that you have hidden cameras around and it's effective weather or not you actually do or not.. because they will presume they are being watched.. if they can see the cameras and think they know all there FOV's they can determine blindspots, and they will.

Lots of cameras can actually imply an incentive, it means you have something of great value to protect.. if your in the ghetto and have a dozen visible cameras you might just get your door kicked in and a few gangbangers demanding you give them money or drugs simply for the cameras alone..

Thieves know how to spot cameras if they want or they been busted by them before.. hell you do and your just an enthusiast, tell me you havent spotted every camera in your neighborhood already? I cant go anywhere without spotting an antenna array, security camera, fiberoptic interconnect.. they just jump out at me because I find communications and security infrastructure interesting.. Just this weekend I was scoping out the cameras at a kids birthday party in a local park and traced it to a Ubiquiti Point to Point access point.. that was directed at the municipal building next door where I could see another Ubiquiti on the roof.. If I wanted to blind all those cameras I knew exactly what would need to be done, and im not a criminal anymore since they legalized it.

Consider if they spot the camera they often looked into the camera directly and gave you the best chance at a facial shot your going to get.

Take a balanced approach, make them discrete enough you dont look like a paranoid freak sitting on a mountain of gold/weapons/drugs.. but visible enough that anyone looking for em will have no trouble locating them, and then put a few in that nobody but you know about.. but never rely on obscurity for security; its a fallacy that traps many so called security experts and amateurs.

My LRDC60S500 arrived from Amanda at Longse today. It had the older firmware and a horrible white balance problem as it arrived. The video inside my fluorescent lighted office was decidedly green. Upgrading the firmware to the new version on page 55 of this thread resolved that issue. The only problem I'm having right now is, I purchased a 4-inch round plastic circuit box from Home Depot this weekend, and it's too small by about 3/4 inches. I ordered this 4.75-inch box from Amazon, so we'll see how that works in a couple of days. It will either be placed on the front of my garage protected beneath an overhang, or behind the garage viewing the back yard, where it will be fully exposed to the elements.

I actually am using that box too from HD, it is small, but I haven't had the time to update it. The reason why I got the box is to put the cabling, but as I mentioned before I had overheating issues when temps were above 90 degrees. Although my VF dome which also has the POE cable in the same box surivived.

ljw2k said:

Without me reading through 72 pages does anyone know if this camera works with the Hikvision IVMS-4200 Pc software?

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Maybe. I believe that I read that the Hikvision SADP tool can see the camera.

Any synology users here?

Just connected 5 of these up to my NAS no issues in finding and setting up, the only issue I've got is that it's only recognising 1 stream. Kinda limits me for using only 1 stream for live streaming and recording.

Updated to the fw on page 55 no issues, can see all 3 streams when I log into the camera individually.

Im using the onvif profile as longse isn't on the synology list.

Only option I can see is set the quality high and use it for purely recording and then see if I can use a 3rd party app to get into the sub stream at a lower resolution/frame rate?

Any help appreciated I'm new to this managed to get this far without a hiccup till now

Got mine installed over the garage door this evening. The biggest problem was drilling through the steel plate of the flitch beam. Right now the POE/Cat-5e cable is just draped/wrapped over the rafter inside the garage. This weekend I'll get out there with some fasteners and attach it to the side of the rafter.