3 teens in west San Jose home breakin (11am Sat. Dec. 9)

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  1. cam235

    cam235 Pulling my weight

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    This one came from Nextdoor. Don't know what cameras they use, but the compression is too high. Still backgrounds look fine, but even with closeup face shots, movement makes everything blocky.

     
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    This is why cameras aren't enough.
     
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    handinpalm Getting the hang of it

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    Yes, pretty bad resolution. If someone did come home and those assholes had to run, they would fall flat on their face because their pants would fall down. Cheap cameras are not good.
     
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    Man, those were some really bad quality videos...
     
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    The kid in the bedroom, has some good manners, pushed the drawer in when done.
     
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    Probably left finger prints.
     
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    Dark faces also illustrate the importance of good WDR and BLC in daytime scenes that need it.
     
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    cam235 Pulling my weight

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    That is possible. The Nextdoor poster mentioned the police weren't even interested in coming out to get the video, so I doubt there was any followup work done.
     
  9. fenderman

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    The homeowner and his neighbors need to show up at the police department and the next city hall meeting...that is unacceptable.
     
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    In this day and age, there is NO reason or need for the police to "come get the video".
    Heck even in my little burg the police have this ability.
    Post it on you tube, and text them the link.
    Then post it on Facebook for someone to recognize the punks.
     
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    cam235 Pulling my weight

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    Every time SJPD has actually been interested in my video, they physically came and got it. I'm not a lawyer but what they told me there is a "chain of custody" rule for evidence, that means YouTube, social media etc. doesn't count for anything you may actually use in court. They do have an online incident reporting form but if you check "have video or other evidence" it immediately says "this cannot be reported online."

    I would think YT, FB etc. would still be useful for background information. The officer I talked to said "we're not even allowed to look at youtube" but I don't know the context or parameters of that.
     
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    Hi Cam235,

    I suspect that only a few detectives working at the SJPD are allowed to look at youtube during working hours - probably also an attempt to keep employees more productive.
     
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    That's probably true. San Jose has over 1 million people. How many full-time burglary detectives would you guess they have? At least as of 2015, the answer was one.

    San Jose Police Struggling To Solve Home Burglaries With Fewer Detectives

    ... His burglary team has only one full-time detective who works four days a week. Back in 2008, the unit had seven full-time detectives. They used to fill most of one floor, but now the department is mostly empty. “We have had to supplement our unit tremendously to keep our heads above water,” Messier said.
    They’ve borrowed a detective from the missing children’s unit and are asking some officers to work overtime. They’re also using community service officers, or CSO’s, to take reports and collect evidence. “When it comes to burglaries,” Messier said, “you have to remember burglaries are kind of second to violent crime.”
     
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    Looks like they need some more tax revenue to pay for even bare-bones policing.
     
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    nah, they just need to spend less on silly programs and waste...
     
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    What silly programs and waste is San Jose spending their money on? They're wasting it on overdue water upgrades and street maintenance here.
     
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    Dont live there but its the same with EVERY city government. Fraud and waste...want some examples?
    1.5 million dollars to provide legal aid to illegal immigrants...well what do you know...no money to help taxpayers prevent burglaries, but 1.5 million to help criminals stay in the country, yup, that makes sense...actually they (the county) spend a total of 5.5 million...
    San Jose, Santa Clara County to provide immigrants legal aid, sanctuary
    The Worst Way to Spend Taxpayer Money
     
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    We don't have that issue here really. Most of our immigrants are here because we invited them. Well, except for the ones that sneak across from your border. IMHO, you guys need to do more to legally let in humanitarian refugees as well as enforce the immigration laws you already have. Why bother having laws you don't enforce?

    Those that consider themselves native Americans might eventually be outnumbered by immigrants, and possibly even homogenized because agreements, laws and signed documents were ignored. Wait, this seems familiar somehow...
     
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    We let in enough refugees and provide enough aid...what we need is to enforce the damn border...and to screen all those coming in....you can have the "refugees" ..we would be better off providing a safe zone for them in their home country...as a son of legal immigrants it's repulsive to me that folks cheat the system then spit in it's face.... they should be kissing the us soil they walk on as my parents and I do...
     
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    :banghead:Funny how often they omit using the word "ILLEGAL" in articles about so called "immigrants".
     
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    If it's for a defense attorney, "legal aid" should probably be spent on a 1 way ticket back to where they came from. That'll aid the legal system.
     
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    One SJPD officer agreed for me to send her a link to download the video. A different SJPD officer for a different event physically came and received a copy of the videos on his USB drive. Guess it depends on who it is.
     
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    Hi Rksgrd,

    It may also depend on the needs of the DA for evidence. I can see during the investigation there is a lower need for chain of custody issues, while if this evidence is needed in a trial the chain of custody issue becomes significant.
     
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    There are so many ways to share videos online (youtube, google drive.....) it amazes me that law enforcement wouldn't at least look at the online version first and then pickup a physical copy later if they need to maintain a "chain of custody".

    Anyone know if they had outside cameras?
     
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    When I sent videos to the postmaster general I just sent them via Google Drive. No issues.

    SJPD unfortunately is hit and miss with property crime. They did a good job busting a gang committing a series of break-ins in my area a year back, but other things (like the video I have of a guy trying to find a hidden key to break into my house) they just don't even bother investigating.
     
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    A youtube link is good for sharing video with an officer or deputy so that they can ID someone or see what happened during the incident, but any video that is used in court or may be used in court needs to be a raw clip, unedited, and in a format so that it can be viewed on any PC, usually .avi. When we have an incident we usually pull video and send the responding officers a youtube link. If the case goes to a detective, they usually need the clip on a disc. We usually burn the original clips on a disc and include a edited version, from multiple camera views, to tell the story. The chain of command is important in the prosecution process. Usually the detective needs to take the video from us or the recorder. They will then provide a receipt for the flash drive or disc, which shows where the video came from.
     
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    Just FYI, here's a different post I just saw on Nextdoor today, also in San Jose. This one apparently just trying to get out of the cold. But I wonder, with no report, for the purposes of official statistics it did not happen?

    "[Re: Homeless...] Yes please lock up! Even though the lights were on in our house and making a great deal of noise, one came in to sleep in our house a few weeks ago. Their head was 5 feet away from where we were flushing the toilet in the adjacent room. They were also watching me do laundry for 2 hours in a blocked area of the room.

    ...They had a miscommunication with dispatch and pulled my husband, baby and myself out at gunpoint and after telling them the actual situation they checked the guy was not hiding anywhere and left without taking our info or making a report.

    [ An intruder was sleeping in your home, and law enforcement didn't even take a report..??? ]

    ...Nope. The person even left a bag of socks on the dryer in that room that I initially thought were my husband's and let dispatch know after the officers were gone and was told to toss or donate them. That's when we realized and told them the person had been in the house for at least two hours. My baby was in the crib a room over, so if the bathroom door had not been locked the person could have been in the room with her. Since nothing seemed to be taken, officers said it looked like they only went in to sleep and get out from the cold, and dismissed everything."
     
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    Geez, that's pretty scary! Time for me to arm my alarm even when I'm home!!!
     
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    There's definitely a security-convenience tradeoff. I presume the person posting this had the door unlocked, and it wouldn't have happened if it was locked. Most people will give up on arming a security system quickly after a few false alarms (though apparently not one of my neighbors, annoyingly...)

    My system has a "voice alert" setting which simply says "Front Door" (or whatever) in a pleasant tone in my office whenever a door opens, even with the alarm off. That's more workable long-term, and a few times it let me know a door wasn't latched and had blown open in the wind.
     
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    That's true enough. I do have the door chimes for all my doors and windows, so I would know during the day if someone saunters in.

    I really should arm at night though. That's when I'd be more likely not to hear the chime.