AMP Security Sales

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  1. nayr

    nayr Known around here

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    AMP Security door to door fail.. this guy found a quick way to the unemployment line.

    I told them I would never disclose too, nor purchase any security services from; anyone whom rang my doorbell, I then suggested they try a better marketing strategy, then shut the door. Glad I reviewed the footage after.

    If anyone comes to your house and tries to ask you about your security system, tell them where to stick it.. these guys use social engineering to trick you to reveal details about your security, or lack of, in a few moments before you even realize it.. legit company or not, this is a shameful practice and speaks volumes of the company that thinks this is a wise way to do business in the industry.

    notice how they were discussing my no trespassing sign before I even opened the door and cover badges and present a 'honeywell' logo on shoulder first to the door instead of whats on the center of your chest.. sales pricks through and through.

    I find these people disgusting, going around and asking if people are interested in a free security system is right up there with nigerian princes needing help with an inheritance.. legit company my ass.. if your legit you dont resort to phishing, especially in the security industry.. your supposed to teach your customers NOT to buy this shit.. I suspect if there ever is a legit nigerian prince who needs help with his inheritance he is totally fucked, as should be this method of of alarm system sales.

    They are not on the Honeywell payroll, I doubt they are even on AMP's payroll.. honeywell is hardware maker, this is is a fake security person.. its like a guy at best buy saying he works for sony.

    ps: amp security if your reading this.. your a joke, lol i pity your customers, you have the theatre down thats for sure.. the security part is severely lacking.. im supposed to trust these clowns to keep me safe? hahaha haha ha
     
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    Jps62 n3wb

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    Ha that's great! The audio was pretty good on that video. Which cam was this?
     
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    milkisbad Pulling my weight

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    I get alot of energy companies/window companies do this to us...I usually say 'i'm not the homeowner' then they leave me alone since i can't buy anything, and seems nicer than just saying no.
     
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    agreed, those guys dont bother me much.. they dont go around asking everyone in the neighborhood about there security systems durring dinner time.

    these two clowns, well.. I was as nice as could be expected, the language was being filtered as it came out my mouth.. was alot more obscene in my head :)
    I was like, you did your speech.. I'll do mine, then were done.. close door.

    this same company I have told to buzz off numerous times, there reps are VERY aggressive, was not surprised at all to hear him be a big man when the door was closed.

    very much loving all my new Dahua's, this season is gona be fun.
     
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    Heimir n3wb

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    So did you get a fcking haircut as he suggested?

    :laugh:
     
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    nope, have not had one my adult life.. think he was a bit jelous, seems how that always goes.. bet he had long hair before his life went so far off track he had to resort to door to door sales to scrape by.. I'd be bitter and angry too in his shoes.

    having done door to door sales my self, for a week as a teenager... I know how miserable it is and I try to have empathy, but I am pretty apathetic to this company.
     
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    so my friends waged a campaign against AMP on facebook, I am not on facebook and didn't really care too much as once this stuff is public domain its out of my hands what other people do with it.

    however, my wife posted she'd like an apology so they PM'd my wife said the guy had only been on the job 2 days and has been terminated... and apologized profusely.

    I almost feel bad, almost.. but he got what he deserved.. I've been denied employment with the exact same thing said to my face.. so yeah Karma is a bitch.
     
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    w1zofaz Getting the hang of it

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    Dude was a total ass/
     
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    Penhead n3wb

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    You must live on one of the poles for it to be that bright out at 10:54 PM ;-)
     
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    Must be really dim where you live, because it says 06:10:54 PM ;-)
     
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    lol WOW, What a asshole, I would of love for him to tell me that to my face.
     
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    blake Getting the hang of it

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    Vivint is just as bad where I'm at with their stupid everyday soliciting!!
     
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    Mail me a flyer, or leave something on my door.. dont send a person to probe my security involuntarily, thats insulting..

    Background check these guys all you want, paying someone minimum to go around and sell cheap junk at inflated prices is not going to attract the kind of employees I would hire to install security.. All that means is the crook you hired is good enough not to get caught, or simply passes the information onto 3rd parties who assume the majority of the risk.

    Its amazing what information you can socially engineer out of people, especially when your wearing a uniform.. Sales people do it for a freaking living, so dont send those sleazy bastards to my house and expect a warm welcome.

    I say do it back to them, if you have a security installer come over.. ask for photo ID and take a pic with your phone before letting them onto the jobsite, if they are real pro's they have to do this for all corporate accounts.. so they wont even flinch.. if they are amateurs or shady ppl they will resist, then just tell em to leave and dont take any risks for a 'good deal'
     
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    One of the oldest scams in the book, so old literally one of the first popular movies featured this scam, see Charlie Chaplin: The Kid - 1921

    summary: Window Maker adopts orphan street urchin to break windows, then happens to show up with a fresh piece of glass to install after the owner chases the kid off.

    Thats exactly what I think of with door to door security sales, go find all the people without security systems... give them your card and say, contact me if you need anything.. then send in some burglars a few weeks/months later to shake em up... immediately interested in an alarm system.

    I suspect they been doing variations of this scheme since the beginning of civilization.. always fresh suckers out there.
     
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    Does the Dahua have auto tracking, or is someone else driving the PTZ while your at the door? Or are you just THAT fast? Assuming it's manually controlled, how are you manipulating it? With a joystick controller? Seemed very precise and smooth. I have to use cursors with my Sunba, and it really looks amateur-ish compared to how your moved.

    ETA - never mind... I followed the link you posted up above, and just read through 5+ pages to see how you automated your home. No need to expand on that....
     
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    that video was a mix actually..

    before they knocked on the door that was me using SmartPSS on dedicated display, just clicked and it moved.. I had seen them on my other cameras and was waiting for em.

    once I got up my home automation system took over, when the front door opened it told the camera to go to a wide angle preset and then when I closed it it waited a few seconds and then told it to go back to the normal idle position (driveway).. I have countless physical sensors on my property that are capable of commanding either of my 2 PTZ's to look at the area... mailbox, parcel box, gates, doors, windows, other camera's line cross/intrusion detection, and even a few outdoor motion sensors.
     
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    Nice. I had the Johovah witness people sing to me one saturday morning, a couple of years ago. Now they always stop and ask for the man of the house, but im always working on saturday morning. My wife tells them to get lost then calls me to yell at me.
     
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    code2 Getting the hang of it

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    I love guys like this i usually open the door with the dog next to me but give her the be really LOUD command so when they start talking they have to try and talk over the dog. Most don't bother and say have a good day.

    When I'm feeling frisky I open the door with my holstered weapon showing LOL the normal response is he has security covered have a nice day
     
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    I am curious has anyone tried to not open the door to sales people? Since I got the cams, I no longer bother with door opening and struggling to say"no thank you" or "not interested" while hearing their non stop 5 minute sales pitch.
     
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    usually most dont come to my door, if they do I rarely answer, but these guys I especially wanted to tell to fuckoff
     
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    ok I haven't had an urge to tell them that :)
     
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    code2 Getting the hang of it

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    I put up a ring doorbell I now get to tell them to fuck off from any where in the word while watching them
     
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    I hate door to door proselytizers and salesmen. I had one sketchy door to door roofing guy visit my grandmother while I was there. I told him no but my grandmother would've invited him in even if I wasn't there and given him some work if she were there alone. She was deaf and had Alzheimer's so she never would've heard him moving around in the house after her back was turned and wouldn't have remembered much if anything afterwards. I knew him from before and that he was shady AF and I bet he was surprised to see me there. He was later arrested for stealing from people's homes while doing door to door "sales". Basically he was casing homes for later, stealing what he could when their backs were turned, and earning a few dollars legally cleaning gutters. Druggie sleazebag.

    I also have a particular distrust of people seeing something in your yard and asking if it's for sale. Yes, I've had stuff stolen by people who did just that. Lost a 4 wheeler that way once. Got it back after getting eyewitness reports of them driving it around, but not until after they dumped it in a pond and had the cops recover it months later.
     
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    OldStyle Getting the hang of it

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    I'm impressed by the quality of this camera. Damn. Super sharp!
     
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    mik Getting the hang of it

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    how come the hair cut suggestion keeps coming up?
     
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    perhaps because I have not had my hair cut once this millennium..

    funny I got an email today from an consumer protection investigator whom told me this guys's name and asked me to discuss the situation, left him a message.. will let you know what comes up, but as a result I already found him on facebook, and have his home address.. mwhaha yay internet.
     
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    so this is what I learned, he broke the Utah law twice in my video.. and AMP Security (utah location) as a company was fined for violating these same issues in 2014 for a tune of ~$140k.. the investigator found concrete evidence that they were still violating these rules 2 years later thanks to this video.

    he confirmed the guy in the video being a dick was instantly fired, AMP Security sent out urgent memo's to everyone reminding them they are not to say they are from any company other than AMP.. dunno whats goint to happen to AMP but they went into fire fighting mode the moment this video hit the internet and likely CYA'd there ass enough to walk away with less trouble than this former sales guy will, as he is getting his own very substantial fine (hint: fine > money I spent on video security)..

    I think I may start posting up every door to door sales person who comes by, mebe I can get my neighborhood on some black list these folk learn to avoid at all costs lol

    So he was a criminal after all.
     
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    Xicaque n3wb

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    @nayr

    What's Colorado law on audio recording? Thanks for sharing this. I think I am going to get a few of these cams.