bullet or dome for exposed vertical wall mount?

[pozzello]

Hello all,

I've got a long narrow driveway i'd like to monitor, maybe 10ft wide and 50ft deep with gate
at the far end. I figured a wide-angle (4mm) cam installed sideways will give me a useful
view, covering 3 windows along the building, a couple cars in the driveway, and the gate
at the back.

I've installed a bullet (Hik 2032) under eaves for a similar view on the back porch, but here
in the driveway, i only have an exposed vertical house wall to attach to (no eaves unless
installed too high for the view i need.)

So my question is whether a sideways-mounted bullet would be safe from the elements
(Northern California weather,) or would a dome be more weatherproof, and if so, can
a dome be mounted sideways (vertically on the wall) to get the view i'd like and still
be weatherproof?

Thanx, Paul.

 

[Ben-SCW]

Hi, either would work for you as long as they are IP66 rated. Usually bullets work best for wall mounting. And yes most domes can vertically mounted.

 

[pozzello]

OK, after a bit more research, i think a dome will work better here, mostly cuz it it'll look less weird than a bullet sticking out from the wall. Weather shouldn't be an issue. It also appears the newer 2135 (vs 2132) domes can swivel the lens as well the base, so one can get vertical (taller) image with it mounted horizontally (and vice-versa) as needed. dunno if the previous versions did that. Can anyone confirm? thanx. I'll post some pix when i get it up, as we all love the install porn...

 

[zero-degrees]

@pozzello

Most QUALITY domes allow for the internal camera to be Panned, Tilted, or the inside rotated so that vertical wall mounting is possible even without software image adjustment/flipping. However, I will caution you that water spots on the domes can be a real bitch so keep that in mind. Should you start getting water spots on the protective dome its possible to get some crazy IR reflection, as well as in heavy rain large rain drops can actually sit in front of the lens blocking everything.

 

[pozzello]

thanx for the response, zero-degrees. waterspots -- hadn't thought about that. may rig up some sort of shield/cover for the cam in that location.
kinda defeats the purpose of the dome, so i guess a bullet would be fine too... OK, less rambling, more installing!

 

[atom]

I have what sounds like a very similar area covered by a 4mm Hikvision bullet. The only difference sounds like I had the garage wall to mount it to rather than needing to mount it to the house.

A couple of thoughts. The bullet has better IR (the exir models), and you have a fairly deep area to cover. Even with the bullet the wide angle IRs which match the 4mm lens won't reach far down the driveway. And of course the entrance to the driveway will look very small and distant with the 4mm. I have a separate turret cam mounted under the eves near the entrance for this reason.

An install pic and some screenshots here:
https://www.ipcamtalk.com/showthread.php/6160-RAYMAX-ILLUMINATION-advice-needed-ARE-THEY-REALLY-THIS-AWESOME?p=54753&viewfull=1#post54753

 

[pozzello]

yes, my view is similar in shape (long & skinny,) which is why i'm thinking of turning the cam.
but i'm mounting on the wall at the entrance to the driveway facing back towards a gate.
i have a huge LED street light directly behind and above my intended camera location,
so i'm not very concerned about depth of IR coverage (unless the street light goes out, i suppose)
thanx for the input. Paul.

 

[pozzello]

here's a pic of the area i'd like to cover. red dot is proposed camera location (to cover windows along the house, the gate at the back, and the vehicles in driveway.)
https://flic.kr/p/znXbAT

 

[atom]

OK, quite different to my situation then as you say. I think I'd consider a Hikvision turret in that location. They're pretty unobtrusive, have good IR to supplement the street light, and when angled down like that will be, I have found that even when exposed to rain they rarely get any water on the lens (it runs off around the circular face of the cam). Also you won't have the issue of a wet dome reflecting IR.

 

[pozzello]

This may work! Tested with a 4mm 2032 mounted 'sideways' on the wall (at red dot above)
thought i might need a 2.8mm to get the view from first window and front of car back to the gate,
but 4mm seems to be wide enough. need some more lighting back there, tho...

 

[atom]

Looks good. A 2332, which can be rotated any way you like too, would give you extra IR. Otherwise a separate light over the gate area would clinch it.

 

[pozzello]

well, I ended up going with a 2335 turret (newer version of 2332). got it mounted and running ok:

it's been fine for the last couple weeks, but during today's rain, it looks like this:

the rain is getting on the lens cover obviously, so I'll need to do some thing about that.
some sort of little 'hat' over the cam is in order...

 

[gigarange]

Nice CRX! I'm here because the day I finally parked my Honda outside, it was broken into and the wheels stolen. If I would of put them up in the spring time like I said I would *sigh. I just finished putting up a 4mm 2342, Hopefully mine fairs well in the snow/rain. Your shot would be better with better lighting, or a motion sensor light.

I put a 2.8mm 2CD2542 vandal-proof on my narrow and long front door entrance, and had to rotate it on the side to get the most of the long and narrow view. 4mm was perfect for yours since you are able to mount your 4mm much higher. You should probably add another one facing the street to view possible incoming people.

best of luck!

 

[Q™]

Cameras aren't going to stop crime from happening to you. Best outcome: bad guys are going to see your cameras and decide to move on to a softer target. 2nd best outcome: your cameras are going to alert you real-time that the bad guys have arrived so you can run out and stop them. 3rd best outcome: your cameras are going to let you watch your stuff being stolen and the video they provide may provide the authorities with enough evidence to collar the perpetrators. 4th best outcome: your cameras are going to let you watch your stuff being stolen.

What options did I miss?

 

[wcrowder]

Cameras aren't going to stop crime from happening to you. Best outcome: bad guys are going to see your cameras and decide to move on to a softer target. 2nd best outcome: your cameras are going to alert you real-time that the bad guys have arrived so you can run out and stop them. 3rd best outcome: your cameras are going to let you watch your stuff being stolen and the video they provide may provide the authorities with enough evidence to collar the perpetrators. 4th best outcome: your cameras are going to let you watch your stuff being stolen.

What options did I miss?

Good Post... Put up signs/stickers, good lighting, and catch a couple thieves. The news will spread fast among the "Type" that will do that. Let people now you have cameras, you become much less of a target... Put up a webcam. Put up a monitor in your business showing "Some" of what you can see... None of this is new. Heck, Walmart does it...

 

[Q™]

Good Post... Put up signs/stickers, good lighting, and catch a couple thieves. The news will spread fast among the "Type" that will do that. Let people now you have cameras, you become much less of a target... Put up a webcam. Put up a monitor in your business showing "Some" of what you can see... None of this is new. Heck, Walmart does it...

The quick story...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313887/Bike-thefts-slashed-50-University-scientists-install-picture-pair-EYES-cycle-racks.html

The detailed study...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3520908/

 

[bababouy]

Pozzello, you may want to try and cut some of the wall out of the shot also. when your IRs are bouncing off of something close, the lens tends to close and make the rest of the picture seem dark or make it look like you aren't getting enough IR. Those turrets have a 20-30m IR distance on them.

 

[dodamn]

well, I ended up going with a 2335 turret (newer version of 2332). got it mounted and running ok:
View attachment 5506
it's been fine for the last couple weeks, but during today's rain, it looks like this:
View attachment 5507
the rain is getting on the lens cover obviously, so I'll need to do some thing about that.
some sort of little 'hat' over the cam is in order...

Hello, Pozzello.

How do you fix that problem (the raindrop on the lens) ?
Is there any rain proof or something else?

 

[marku2]

Rainx make a product for plastic now I use it on my domes which are out in the garden as zero degrees said water spots are a pain

 

[wcrowder]

RainX? It really does help. Use turret's for situations like that. Every company makes them and the IR and lenses are separate, less spider webs over the lense.