EU GDPR Home CCTV

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  1. MikeR33

    MikeR33 n3wb

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    Hi,

    Just been reading through the new GDPR regs (on the ICO office website CCTV on your property) which now apply more to home CCTV than the old DPA which was in place.

    It now seems that if you even capture the slightest bit of pavement or road outside your property boundary that you are now required to register the CCTV system and sign up to the full policy requirements at a cost of £35 a year. Looks like the government thought (yet again) there's loads of CCTV installs around on houses these days lets add another tax on for the privilege of protecting your own home.

    The police have been very happy in the past to use CCTV from myself and other locals to use as evidence when they have been caught running away and passing just on the edge of view or being able to measure the speed of a stolen vehicle as it passes close by and this is now likely going to be lost, yet another bonus for the criminals.

    I'm fully in favor of people not using CCTV to spy on other peoples personal lives and property (and this is already covered under the existing DPA policies anyway) but I expect like myself you can't really cover to the edges of your property boundary properly without catching a bit of the public space just beyond. Also a lot of the cameras around are limited in the amount of masking features available (my current Dahua's only have 4 variable size rectangular boxes available) which makes covering just the public areas without blanking out your own property space quite difficult.

    Has anyone else been looking into the new regs?

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
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    You all should really work to get your rights back. Good grief. Be the squeaky wheel.
     
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    Welcome and thanks for sharing that Mike.

    CCTV privacy concerns, rather humorous coming from a UK governmental agency......
     
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    00Buck Getting the hang of it

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    They don't seem to worry about what they capture :ohsnap:
     
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    Looks like somebody has actually had some common sense in the UK for a change, the requirements to register and pay the yearly fee have now been dropped.
     
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    Aengus4h Getting the hang of it

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    that's good news, I bet there will be many who haven't even looked at the regs so won't be registering and some that have but still won't lol. What's the hit if they bowl up and check and you aren't registered?

    My cameras cover wider than my property boundary but that is to cover the transit path of anyone/thing that triggers motion so as to improve the chances of ID as well as give an indication of where they went/came from and possible intent and who else may be involved. Seems reasonable to me. Motion is only covering the property tho slightly overlaps the edges to be certain you trigger early enough. Recordings expire at 28 days so I only retain what is relevant to use as evidence when needed.

    Wonder how this all applies to the mass of dashcams out there too, taking video of anyone and everyone, around sensitive areas etc. There's often calls for footage when an incident occurs on the roads, they can't have it both ways...
     
  7. MikeR33

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    That's the bit they have finally removed, you don't need to register any longer which is a big relief as the fine could have been £25k+ if they were feeling particularly nasty.

    Someone could still get caught out in theory if they don't comply with the data rules but I would think that quite unlikely for a home setup.
     
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    Aengus4h Getting the hang of it

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    There's a lot of dumb rules and regs over here huh, tho I get the need for GDPR and hopefully it'll cut some of the junk email I get without me having to do much :) Question is will it have the teeth to deal with the real issues, will FB now have to get its act together for example or if not what can/will they do about them... no doubt lots of hot air and no real action lol
     
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    I clicked on the link provided by the OP and it's 404. I searched the GDPR regs for "CCTV" and found the occurrence twice but in the same paragraph:
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    ".....Example

    A bank may need to retain images from a CCTV system installed to prevent fraud at an ATM machine for several weeks, since a suspicious transaction may not come to light until the victim gets their bank statement. In contrast, a pub may only need to retain images from their CCTV system for a short period because incidents will come to light very quickly. However, if a crime is reported to the police, the pub will need to retain images until the police have time to collect them....."
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    Based on the OP's original post, it looks like typical bureaucratic, knee-jerk, un-researched legislation occurs in the UK as well as here in the U.S. of A. At least in this instance, the UK rescinded theirs, at least for now.
     
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    Hi TonyR,

    It was a very interesting document, too bad they 404'ed it... wonder if anyone copied it.

    Ah, here it is.. still in Google Cache:
    CCTV on your property

    hmm, looks like the cache copy is different than the original one linked to here...

    I can imagine it potentially happening here if interested parties in the USA do not push back on things like that.
     
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    This isn't new to the GPDR,it was in place before the new regulations became law. I've been registered for over two years now,it wasn't mandatory before just recommended,and only if your cameras covered even the smallest area outside your own property (they call it spillage)
    "Please note that in light of the Rynes judgment by the Court of Justice of the European Union, if your CCTV covers any areas beyond the boundaries of your property it will no longer be regarded as domestic processing and be exempt from the DPA." 2015
    "You also need to be aware that if your camera(s) captures images outside the confines of your of household, those images are subject to the DPA."2015

    Domestic CCTV: using CCTV systems on your property
     
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    @Tommy Leith , thanks for the info.

    I find the 4 page 'A Guide to the 12 Principles' a typical, useless publication by the government and a total waste of the taxpayers' money; The first page asks "...How well does your organisation comply with the 12 guiding principles of the surveillance camera code of practice?" and then states "...Here are some questions you should consider to help you check if you comply."

    Here's the clincher: only the 12 questions are raised, the publication offers not one single answer that would be acceptable.
     
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    All the while the UK is wringing it's hands over gun shaped tattoos. :facepalm:
     
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