FYI - Amazon lightning deal on Amcrest ( Dahua OEM ) 8MP bullet $64

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    Did anyone decide to get one?
     
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    Fourier Getting the hang of it

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    I might grab one. I’m deciding on the sd49225 or just adding a few cameras instead.

    It looks like it’s a Starvis sensor so I’d be interested in how well in performs over my current 8mp Lorex lnb8005 cams.
     
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    Well I've spent more money on lesser quality cameras, I don't think I can pass up this price and either keep as a backup or use in a location with plenty ambient street lighting. I'm slowly upgrading a Q-see system to better quality Dahua cameras that better suit the location they're in. Starlights in back and maybe the new 1/1.8 sensor cameras in front.
     
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    Fourier Getting the hang of it

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    I just purchased it :lol: thanks for the post @mat200

    Which camera model are you looking at with the 1/1.8”?

    I might pick up a ipc-hfw1831e from empire with the 1/2” sensor. I have about 10k lumens of light on the front of the house, so light isn’t an issue unless I’m looking far.
     
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    I had been looking at this one for the front of my property since it has decent street lighting. IPC-HFW2831T-ZS
    The back of the property is no light. I just purchased and installed my first decent quality camera HDW5231R-ZE (I didn't know anything about what I was looking at when I got my Q-See system).
    Andy posted the Dahua Q3 2018 product catalog Dahua Q3 Catalog for the IP Video Product 201808
    I see a lot of upgrade prospects, I guess there goes the Christmas bonus check.
     
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    Deal is back on! Cyber Monday 11/26/2018 - get one to gift to a friend if you need it.

    Amazon has a new lightning deal going on the Amcrest UltraHD 4K (8MP) Outdoor Bullet POE IP Camera. This is the same price as the lightning deal that was running on Black Friday.

    Use Code SZJYF8XW at checkout to bring the price to $63.50

    Amcrest UltraHD 4K (8MP) Outdoor Bullet POE IP Camera, $63.50 11-26-2018
     
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    davej Young grasshopper

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    Any other good Cyber-Monday finds?
     
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    Lots...

    Nelly's Security has a nice list of deals - one nice thing is that you can get a kit from them w/the option of selecting 1000' of cat5e cable!
    They also have some deals, as usual, in their garage sale section
    Cyber Monday - Nelly's Security

    Montavue has a number of nice Dahua OEM kits, looks like original Dahua OEM firmware.
    Some of the nicer 8MP turret kit deals have sold out.
    They do have some deals on POE switches worth looking at.
    BLACK FRIDAY | Montavue

    UPS on Amazon:
    CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD Intelligent LCD UPS System, 1500VA/900W, 12 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower
    by CyberPower
    for "cyberpower battery backup"
    Was: $144.95
    Deal of the Day: $109.95 & FREE Shipping. Details
    https://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500AVRLCD-Intelligent-Outlets-Mini-Tower/dp/B000FBK3QK

    LaView has a number of deals - this one is probably the most interesting for people here:
    1080P Video Doorbell WiFi IP Camera
    SKU LV-PDB1520F1
    reg: $179.00 Cyber Monday: $70.00
    LaView HD IP Security LV-PWF80216-W

    Lorex has some nice deals on 8 channel kits and 4 cameras also.. though their Dahua OEM products do not have IVS features in them. ( should be fine for most Blue Iris users )
    in particular this one has 4 nice 8MP bullet cameras ( they seem to do more deals on bullets and not many on turrets ) - 2x varifocal, 2x 8MP 30fps.. see kit 4KHDIP822

    Amcrest also has some deals on POE switches worth looking at.
     
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    when posters here call this a "Dahue OEM" precisely which Dahua camera does this Amcrest 4K Bullet resemble the most - internally at least :confused:

    does being a "Dahue OEM" also mean you can apply Dahue's firmware and/or camera client software management apps to work with this Amcrest?
     
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    Hi Consorts -

    IPC-HFW = IP Camera - F = bullet
    x8xx = 8MP

    So IPC-HFWx8xx for starters.

    It is not a varifocal - so not 5xxx
    Also not that expensive - so not 8xxx

    Maybe a 4xxx - that is maybe IPC-HFW48xx - according to the spec sheet they sent me it included IVS features. ( you have to chat with their reps to get the spec sheet as it is not listed on their products page )
     
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    thanks for your guidance. according to an oct'2018 youtube review all it has is 4 zone movement and 4 zone privacy,

    and no pir, so i'm holding my breath for more ivs until i have it in my hands Dec'1st. will post what i can find by then :secret:
     
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    PIR - most cameras we're buying here do not have PIR. I think PIR is over rated at this time.
     
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    consorts Young grasshopper

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    good news - my amcrest 4k shipped, so i should have it this weekend to play with.

    sadly i didn't rush my microsd and related purchases thinking it would take longer
    so i'll probably pull the 128gb u3 out of my phone, back that up, and use it for now.
    i'm sure i'm going to hate amcrest's too wide 2.8mm lense, so i'm already preparing
    to DIY swap it myself. i hope the visual field triggers test out well on this camera.

    will know soon enough... :wave:
     
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    Hi @consorts Looking forward to seeing a quick review of it.

    Thanks
     
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    Fourier Getting the hang of it

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    Here’s a quick shot I took of my 4K Lorex lnr8005 vs the 4K amcrest IP8M-2496EB-2. The Lorex is used a 1/2.5” sensor with a 4mm Lens at 88deg viewing angle. I couldn’t find what sensor the amcrest used, only that it’s starvis with a 2.8mm lens at 112deg viewing angle.

    Lnb8005 - Lorex
    9098E4B2-5EE4-4A8F-999F-1DC64AEBEF84.png

    IP8M-2496EB-2 - Ancrest
    DD77AAA1-0787-4059-9623-9ABB1BA82756.png

    Lnb8005 Specs
    5928812A-37EB-41FF-AB9C-1A16EA9A20E0.jpeg
     
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    Fourier, thanks for confirming my worst fears - that i'm going to hate having that wide frame distorted 2.8mm lens in my amcrest. i'd order a 4mm or 6mm already (may take a few weeks to arrive) but i want to wait till i have it in my hand disassembled before probably getting it wrong. my amcrest will be mounted between trees, so i already know too wide will waste half my field of view with wind moving branches. here are the two lenses i'm probably going to try. (i'm new at this, so nobody take my word for these working yet);

    amcrest's original lens appears to be from it's specs; M12 2.8mm F1.6 5MP
    4mm 5MP 1/2.5" HD IR Sensitive M12 Camera Lens | eBay M12 4mm F1.8 5MP
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019S2X4JO M12 6mm F2.0 5MP
    btw, i actually emailed amcrest twice (directly and thru Amazon) and they do not
    stock a 4.0mm lens or version of this camera even though it's available in the specs,
    ICIP-B8310-IR
    and seems to be resold at 4mm in a white casing by yet another dahua oem :wtf:
    (yes, i know icrealtime keeps contradicting itself - clueless oem proofreading)
     
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    @Fourier

    Hows the capture of subjects moving in the field of view look between the 2?

    Thank you
     
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    Fourier Getting the hang of it

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    I never uploaded footage but I can try and add a clip of the two cameras with s car driving by. I leave motion recording off on my front door and driveway cams to avoid the glitching but this camera has it on. It results in seeing half of the cars journey as it warps by.

    I typically trim clips in the idmss app and then convert them on the computer to mp4, is there a better way? I assume they’re full resolution as playback is pulling the main stream.
     
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    so far i can report the h.265 encryption on this ip cam is a major fail - too much frame skip and ghosting to be used on a regular movement area.
    i settled on h.264h 2560*1440 25pfs for now, but will need another 18 hours (for daylight time) to reach any preliminary conclusion on this ip cam.
    if anyone's curious, you can still get 25fps as high as 3072x1728 before you need to reduce your fps.
    tomorrow daytime i'll test street sign legibility ~60' from my test window, which should help prove if the higher resolutions are real or mere placebo.
    Dahau's Smart PSS does work with this Amcrest, and is twice as encode efficient on your cpu cores as ie11 (no surprise)
    but some Amcrest screens only seem to work correctly using their client or web gui, such as camera/encode/overlay/privacy mask.
    no matter what i tried, i could not get this June'2018 firmware Amcrest to accept Dahau's Oct'2018 update, so a lot of IVS may still be missing here
    and yes, i did "register" for firmware update access with Amcrest, and they latest download is the same June'2018 as the new camera has, so no joy.
    i was able to get iSpy 64bit to live stream this camera (less cpu efficiently than SmartPSS does), others will have to tell you of Blue Iris success.
     
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    Hi Consorts -

    Thanks, looking forward to seeing your results.

    BTW -
    This 8MP camera at the wide FOV should have about 20 feet out until the 100 pixel per foot mark ( ID distance specs we like to use here ), a 8MP camera with a 90 degree FOV the range is about 25 feet.

    Beyond that the wide FOV will quickly reduce the density of pixels so that this really is not as well suited to greater distances.
     
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    thanks for schooling me on that :goodpost:all the more reason to DIY swap out this 2.8mm lens if i can live with the handicapped IVS of the current firmware iteration.

    the motion detect alert area i need is only the first 20' from where i'll mount the camera, i'd still like to be able to "see" with a lot more clarity to what lies beyond.
     
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    consorts, did you mention your Amcrest camera not added to Blue Iris yet? I received my camera, but haven't put into service yet due to weather, but I have mine working with Blue Iris . Here is a screenshot of the setting page if this helps. (complete the IP address)

    Amcrest IP8M-2496EB settings in Blue Iris.JPG
     
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    The Amcrest 8MP bullet theoretical ID distance will be the same as the below Lorex 8MP camera w/the 2.8mm lens

    Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8mm lens H 112.5° 19.57 feet 375.8 sqft
    Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8005 / LNB8111B Bullet Camera 4mm lens 88° 25.0 feet 479.7 sqft
     
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    thanks again for elaborating; today i'm mostly going to trail and error the Motion Detect,
    email notifications(direct from it's smtp) and see if i can get amcrest to write to my NAS
    if they pass muster, Sunday I'll pop the front off to see what i can do about that lame lens.

    i emailed amcrest about the october firmware, but i doubt i'll hear back till tuesday.
    if anyone has had any luck using ssh to force the firmware maybe using an img file not
    a bin, please chime in. i know i can do that with a linux router, just not with ip cams.

    [​IMG]
    one thing i noticed out of the box is the cam i got seems to have been assembled off center
    should i be concerned? giving it a shake - nothing seems to be loose from what i can tell.
    i also noticed the metal housing remains cool to the touch. i wonder if that's normal here.

    i recently tested another metal "go swift" 8mp - and it's casing always felt relatively warm.
     
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    I don't think so. That is most likely a foam ring whose placement you be able to adjust upon dismantling the camera.
     
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    @mat200 I only have a capture comparison of vehicles.



     
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    so, after a full day with my new toy, the good news is i have not decided to return it yet, but there's plenty of "bad" news;

    bad: submitting your email for firmware updates is merely an excuse for amcrest to spam you, not only are they 4mo behind
    but you can't unsubscribe from the spam without missing out on any future firmware update notifications.

    bad; as i posted earlier, h.265 is a joke on this ip cam - too much ghosting and frame skipping, so you'll have to use h.264.h
    in fairness, i don't have an nvr, maybe the h.265 only works when the poe is directly plugged into it, instead of a gig switch.

    bad; clients get 30 minutes timed out so you must login again after prolonged live view sessions. what's really stupid
    about this is - the live view itself continues, it's access to setup changes that gets timed out and will require a fresh login.
    this bug would actually be a good thing if it timed out the stream as well - so unattended live streams don't bog down a lan.

    bad; event/video.detection/detection.area/region.name variable does not carry through to your email alert Alarm Name,
    thus the fact that it has 4 distinct color and sensitivity regions is useless, since you have no idea which one got triggered.
    worse, only the first (orange) color triggers a snapshot attachment to the alert email, no other regions include snapshots.
    worse still, there is no live visual aid or audio que to tell you when an alert got triggered while the gui is active.
    i was able to associate a WAV file using the Dahau client, but only for the first (orange) trigger.

    bad: email alerts occasionally show up without any snapshot attachment - i can't find any reason it's doing this, it just does.

    bad: there are no other triggers beyond camera errors and tampering with this june 25th firmware amcrest stuck us with.

    * bad: due to this lack of ivs alternatives to it's movement trigger, this ip cam may false on snow, rain drops and shadows.
    this will become a major problem the further away your zone is set from the camera without access to line cross ivs,
    also the wide sensitivity range of 0-100 is laughable, as only 0-5 seems to do anything meaningful day or night.

    bad; so much of the Dahau client won't work with this Amcrest, that it's more trouble to use Dahau in Amcrest's place than it's worth.
    so if you were planning on managing both Dahau and Amcrest ip cams under the same SmartPSS client, I would first get an eval unit.

    bad; no storage redundancy, it's microsd or FTP or NAS and not any combination of the two or three
    however, the NAS page has an "Emergency (Store on SD Card)" to save your ass if NAS is unreachable.

    bad; the Storage/NAS page seems to check the proper syntax of your entries, but not if it's actually working
    so as long as you type in server address: x.x.x.x and remote directory: //x/x/x -it accepts just about anything.
    i have a public share on my lan that anyone can read/write to, even smartphones on wifi - and nothing wrote.
    i may setup an FTP tomorrow if i can find the time, just to see if that works any better, but i highly doubt it.

    bad: Camera/Video/Snapshot/Interval lowest time slice is a whole second, so every shot you get is a ghostly blur
    because it's some composite image of up to 25 1/25th's of a whole second mushed together... so completely worthless.

    bad: both of the substreams are "VGA" or 640x480p resolution useless - nothing like Amcrest spec sheet claims.

    bad: the mount stem is fixed, which means if you need to point down and left both by 30°
    you are out of luck - unless you are willing to screw the mount into your wall off level,
    you can't simply rotate the stem independent of the base you just screwed level into a wall.

    bad: many buried options require double saving, meaning you save the page the option was changed
    and you must also save on the parent page that option was nested.

    bad: the Playback timeline gui is a buggy mess, the only way to reliably replay clips is to use the File List menu.

    so, can i say anything good about this amcrest when i compare it to my 2 year old 3mp hikvision cube? i'll try;

    good: it's metal bullet case is painted black... this blends in really well mounted between my double hung windows.
    "amcrest" is only written on the removable plastic sun shade which i will remove to keep the ip cam brand anonymous.

    good: 8mp means more pixels, but as regulars here preach; more pixels mean worse motion blur and worse night vision.
    (both of which i'm not concerned with - as my security need is within 20' of where this ip camera will be mounted.

    * good: once you take the time to fine tune the zone, motion detect is 95% accurate and of course as with most cams
    that come with a microsd memory option, this one retains video the key seconds before the motion is detected.
    by comparison my hikvision 3mp cube is 80% accurate while using it's double line pass ivs.

    good: it handles portrait (90° or 270°) orientation properly in all aspects of the gui and output files
    this is the main reason I have not returned it yet, as many budget ip cams mess this issue up big time.
    warning: using 90°|270° limits available resolution to 2688*1520, so if you want to 4K in portrait mode,
    too bad - you may as well return this 8mp and buy a 4-5mp, or buy a VESA mount and spin all your monitors...

    there's plenty more to like and dislike, but i'm just focusing at the "hands on" stuff for now :headbang:
     
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    You should flash it to IPC-HFW48xx to see if the frog becomes a prince.
     
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    If you open it up keep an eye out for clues as to its OEM origin.