Hikvision Ethernet Wiring installed...IP or Analogue

[Gunner786]

Hi guys.

I had ethernet wires run throughout my house last year and thus year can finally afford the cctv. My security guy has recomended me to go the analogue + dvr route rather than nvr + ip camera route. They will work over the ethernet cables and you get better quality and spec cameras over the ip range.

Analogue setup
HIKVISION DS-2CE78U8T-IT3 8mp 4k Camera
DS-7208HTHI-K2 NO DISK Hikvision 8 channel TVI Turbo 4.0 8MP DVR

IP Setup
HIKVISION DS-7608NI-K2/8P NVR
HIKVISION DS-2CD2125FWD-I 4MM Camera.

What do you guys think of the idea? Analogue cameras and DVR over ip cameras and NVR.
But the wiring will be ethernet

 

[VorlonFrog]

How much intelligence / how many firmware features do the analog cameras provide?
Does it match the capabilities of the TCP/IP cameras?

 

[fenderman]

Hi guys.

I had ethernet wires run throughout my house last year and thus year can finally afford the cctv. My security guy has recomended me to go the analogue + dvr route rather than nvr + ip camera route. They will work over the ethernet cables and you get better quality and spec cameras over the ip range.

Analogue setup
HIKVISION DS-2CE78U8T-IT3 8mp 4k Camera
DS-7208HTHI-K2 NO DISK Hikvision 8 channel TVI Turbo 4.0 8MP DVR

IP Setup
HIKVISION DS-7608NI-K2/8P NVR
HIKVISION DS-2CD2125FWD-I 4MM Camera.

What do you guys think of the idea? Analogue cameras and DVR over ip cameras and NVR.
But the wiring will be ethernet

It's.not better quality and spec, he's a lying scammer. Avoid domes, use turrets.

 

[Gunner786]

It's.not better quality and spec, he's a lying scammer. Avoid domes, use turrets.

Im paying cost price its a mate. The 4k equivelant spec ip cameras im looking at £300 more.

Hikvision DS-2CE56D8T-IT3E

 

[Gunner786]

How much intelligence / how many firmware features do the analog cameras provide?
Does it match the capabilities of the TCP/IP cameras?

Hikvision DS-2CE56D8T-IT3E

 

[TonyR]

My security guy has recomended me to go the analogue + dvr route rather than nvr + ip camera route.

Perhaps because he is unfamiliar with IP cams and/or networking in general and HE is more comfortable with analog. I'd ask him why if you haven't already done so.

......you get better quality and spec cameras over the ip range.

If that is his reason, that's not necessarily true in all cases. Is that your conclusion after research, or again, is that what he told you?

Question:
How do you plan to get 12VDC to all those analog cams if over the Ethernet cable? Passive POE injectors at both ends of each camera cable with a host of 12VDC wall wart power supplies back at the DVR? Or near each cam have its little black 2 conductor cable coming down the wall to the wall wart? And at the cameras those passive injectors add bulk and must be protected from the weather if outdoors. Also, if powered over the Ethernet by 12VDC I suspect you can't go as far as you could with a POE camera.

 

[Ford]

Perhaps because he is unfamiliar with IP cams and/or networking in general and HE is more comfortable with analog. I'd ask him why if you haven't already done so.

If that is his reason, that's not necessarily true in all cases. Is that your conclusion after research, or again, is that what he told you?

Question:
How do you plan to get 12VDC to all those analog cams if over the Ethernet cable? Passive POE injectors at both ends of each camera cable with a host of 12VDC wall wart power supplies back at the DVR? Or near each cam have its little black 2 conductor cable coming down the wall to the wall wart? And at the cameras those passive injectors add bulk and must be protected from the weather if outdoors. Also, if powered over the Ethernet by 12VDC I suspect you can't go as far as you could with a POE camera.

A cat 5e can run 2 4k analog cameras. (1 pair for video, 1 pair for 12Vdc). Back in the day analog used coax (video) and a pair (not twisted) of 18g wire for 12vdc. This was expensive, bulky to run and took more time than it should to terminate. Using cat5e has made analog easy to work with. I have never had a run long enough so it had enough voltage drop with analog cameras on cat 5e to cause problems (and have runs 500' plus) (ethernet rated to 300' fyi).

Pros: simple, reliable, cheap, no issues with network saturation with very large deployments

Cons: simple, dead end technology, behooven to using NVRs with (many times) poor software (unless you spent huge $$$$$ on a PC with many inputs for the cctv and huge $$$$ for enterprise grade software).

The only connectivity-problem truck rolls on an analog system I have had were due to mechanical damage (mostly the home owner or construction crews damaging wires), I can't say that for IP.

Do I install analog systems anymore? No. Do I maintain them? Yes. The main downside is the crappy NVR firmware that is not updated for security patches but these things overall work well.

I do not do large systems (100's or 1000's of cameras like in a casino) but I think analog on these would be the way to go (they will have the budget to make PC based hardware and enterprise NVR software a non-issue)

 

[Gunner786]

It's.not better quality and spec, he's a lying scammer. Avoid domes, use turrets.

Perhaps because he is unfamiliar with IP cams and/or networking in general and HE is more comfortable with analog. I'd ask him why if you haven't already done so.

If that is his reason, that's not necessarily true in all cases. Is that your conclusion after research, or again, is that what he told you?

Question:
How do you plan to get 12VDC to all those analog cams if over the Ethernet cable? Passive POE injectors at both ends of each camera cable with a host of 12VDC wall wart power supplies back at the DVR? Or near each cam have its little black 2 conductor cable coming down the wall to the wall wart? And at the cameras those passive injectors add bulk and must be protected from the weather if outdoors. Also, if powered over the Ethernet by 12VDC I suspect you can't go as far as you could with a POE camera.

He does ip and nvr's aswell. But for only 4 cameras around my house he said if i go analogue camera route and turbo hd dvr i can get better value and better specs for £600 snd same spec cameras + nvr i would be looking at £900. Im getting the 8mp low light 4k camera for £84. Same spec ip camera is well over £150.

 

[looney2ns]

Hi guys.

I had ethernet wires run throughout my house last year and thus year can finally afford the cctv. My security guy has recomended me to go the analogue + dvr route rather than nvr + ip camera route. They will work over the ethernet cables and you get better quality and spec cameras over the ip range.

Analogue setup
HIKVISION DS-2CE78U8T-IT3 8mp 4k Camera
DS-7208HTHI-K2 NO DISK Hikvision 8 channel TVI Turbo 4.0 8MP DVR

IP Setup
HIKVISION DS-7608NI-K2/8P NVR
HIKVISION DS-2CD2125FWD-I 4MM Camera.

What do you guys think of the idea? Analogue cameras and DVR over ip cameras and NVR.
But the wiring will be ethernet

I suggest you study this>> cliff notes
Understand that 4k cams will not nearly have as good as low light vision as 2mp cams.