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Does anyone have recommendations or definite no nos for choosing routers?
I'm renting a panoramic from cox and tried of is poor performance.
I was really looking at the Google wifi system or one of the other mesh systems.
I'm concerned about flexibility with tying into an blue iris system.
Are there capabilities i should be really focusing on when choosing a router?
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Do you already have VPN set up for security/remote viewing?
 

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My main concern when purchasing my latest router was reliability and update availability. I don't have much confidence in the consumer grade router manufacturers doing either. I now have an Ubiquiti Edgerouter Lite, Edgeswitch Lite, and AC-Pro wifi. This setup is extremely reliable and lets me segment my network to keep things like cameras from accessing things they shouldn't.
 

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Ubiquiti is obviously high on the list. Asus has AiMesh on newer routers which may blend wired and mesh networking for you. BI folks will have to jump in but I’d have to imagine you would not want to try to push BI on wi-fi alone.
 

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No intention to run bi over the wifi. Im pulling cat6 all over the house, so im going to hardwire as much as i can. But I'm sick of this rental router/ modem. So i was curious if there capabilities i should look for. Im not sure if the google wifi can block mac addresses or if i should look for a router that can do vpn.
 

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No intention to run bi over the wifi. Im pulling cat6 all over the house, so im going to hardwire as much as i can. But I'm sick of this rental router/ modem. So i was curious if there capabilities i should look for. Im not sure if the google wifi can block mac addresses or if i should look for a router that can do vpn.
the google mesh system is very limited in function...if you want something basic and simply look at the asus 86u....you can get another to set up a mesh if you wish...
next step is a business grade unit like a zyxel for about 200...that will allow setting up a vlan so BI and the cameras are on a completely separate network but you will likely want a second access point as the wifi will not be great...
next step would be buying a used pc (low power) and running something like untangle or pfsense...they have prebuilt kits too
 

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The Google mesh cannot do VPN. It looks to be an awesome consumer mesh system but it's lacking in more advanced network configuration ability. You'll have to look to the other mesh offerings such as amplifi for the advanced networking features but be warned, it'll cost you more bucks than Google mesh. My needs have changed in recent months and I no longer need to have my system available online full time. I've had it off line for months now and if I need to check something I just look at local playback. However, I really do need a more robust wifi throughout the house and Google mesh is still at the top of the list. I simply need a mesh system for greater reach. Since Google mesh can port forward and also pause select devices, I'm considering just doing that and keeping the cctv system off line and through the app, bring it online only when I need it and then dump it off when I'm done. Not perfect but honestly, now I almost never need my system on line anymore, which is perhaps the most secure way there is. But if VPN is a need, scope out a mesh that can do it.
 

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I have 3 Google Wifi points and even though they don't have a built in VPN function they do provide a very reliable mesh Wifi signal throughout my 3 level home. I have full bars everywhere in the house. These replaced an Apple Airport Extreme and I have to say there is a night and day difference between the two systems. Google Wifi lets you prioritize devices based on a time limits and and you can also pause and schedule network access by device or groups of devices. It has a built site blocking function that includes Google's safe search. It also has the ability to manage and view network devices remotely via the Google Wifi app. I would highly recommend this if you are looking for a reliable wifi connection throughout your house.
 

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I have 3 Google Wifi points and even though they don't have a built in VPN function they do provide a very reliable mesh Wifi signal throughout my 3 level home. I have full bars everywhere in the house. These replaced an Apple Airport Extreme and I have to say there is a night and day difference between the two systems. Google Wifi lets you prioritize devices based on a time limits and and you can also pause and schedule network access by device or groups of devices. It has a built site blocking function that includes Google's safe search. It also has the ability to manage and view network devices remotely via the Google Wifi app. I would highly recommend this if you are looking for a reliable wifi connection throughout your house.
Isn't it possible to run them as access points only? That is, use a different router with VPN/firewall capability and just use Google wifi for wifi.
 

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Isn't it possible to run them as access points only? That is, use a different router with VPN/firewall capability and just use Google wifi for wifi.
No, one has to be setup as the primary wifi point and then you can add additional units as necessary. Each additional unit will act as a mesh ap.
 

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I have the synology RT-AC2600 router, very stable, no issues. Rare to no reboots. Been using for around 10 months.
Having said THAT...I have now jumped on the ubiquiti bandwagon. Just got their edge router, still in the box. It will offer greater configuration flexibility if you are wanting to create VLANs and complex configurations.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Synology router. I am just looking to UP my networking knowledge and wanted something affordable to learn enterprise style networking =)
 

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I have the synology RT-AC2600 router, very stable, no issues. Rare to no reboots. Been using for around 10 months.
Having said THAT...I have now jumped on the ubiquiti bandwagon. Just got their edge router, still in the box. It will offer greater configuration flexibility if you are wanting to create VLANs and complex configurations.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the Synology router. I am just looking to UP my networking knowledge and wanted something affordable to learn enterprise style networking =)
Good move. I've learned a lot since getting Ubiquiti gear.
 

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I am leaning heavily towards ubiquity. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but i would use a 3.1 modem, ub router, switch poe or injector, access point. The bi switch and system would tie into the internet switch.
I figured it would run about 400+. This set up will support a vpn. I suppose a vlan depends on the type of such i buy, managed. Also if I'm away from home and the system gives problems, what options do i have. Are there network specialists that will do simple residential?
This forum has been a great resource and is really fueling my interest to learn.
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I am leaning heavily towards ubiquity. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but i would use a 3.1 modem, ub router, switch poe or injector, access point. The bi switch and system would tie into the internet switch.
I figured it would run about 400+. This set up will support a vpn. I suppose a vlan depends on the type of such i buy, managed. Also if I'm away from home and the system gives problems, what options do i have. Are there network specialists that will do simple residential?
This forum has been a great resource and is really fueling my interest to learn.
Thank you
I'll give you a brief description of my layout so hopefully it answers some questions. I have cable Internet service and own my old DOCSIS complaint modem. It's just a plain modem: No wifi, router, or switch. The cable modem connects to eth0 of my EdgeRouter Lite.

Eth1 on the EdgeRouter Lite connects to a Ubiquiti EdgeSwitch Lite. I went with the Lite version when I got it a couple of years ago because I didn't want the fan noise associated with the POE version and cameras weren't on the roadmap at that point.

In the EdgeRouter, I have three virtual interfaces hanging off eth1 for various purposes. With VLANs, I use the EdgeRouter's firewall to selectively permit or deny traffic to/from different network segments. For example, I don't allow anything on the camera VLAN to make outbound connections except to a single time server. But devices on the camera VLAN can accept and respond to connections initiated from other network segments. This allows me to access the web GUI of a camera from my PC, or stream video to my TinyCam on my phone, but should the camera decide to phone home to the People's Army, it won't be able to.

While I use an Ubiquiti switch, any managed switch will work fine. I created VLANs on the switch that match the VLANs on the EdgeRouter. For example, VLAN 140 is for the cameras. Eth0/23 on the switch is configured to access only VLAN 140 and anything plugged into that interface is automatically put on VLAN 140. That's the interface where I have a BV Tech 16 port POE switch which will power the cameras. That is an unmanaged switch but it doesn't matter because only cameras will be connected to it and all of the cameras will be on the same VLAN.

I also have an Ubiquiti AC Pro wireless access point. I use the POE injector that came with it and connect it to eth0/8 on the EdgeSwitch. Unifi wifi supports up to 4 separate wireless networks and each can optionally be assigned to a different VLAN. In the EdgeRouter, I have a VLAN 130 that's for IOT stuff. On the wifi, I have an SSID for IOT, configured for VLAN 130. On the EdgeSwitch, eth0/8 is allowed onto the default VLAN and VLAN 130 to pass both my default (privileged) wireless network and the IOT network through the switch and to the EdgeRouter. So devices on my main wifi can access anything and devices on the IOT network have firewall rules regulating their traffic. Basically, I don't trust IOT devices but unlike the cameras, they do need Internet access to function. So I only give them enough access to function and hopefully not enough to get into trouble.

Ubiquiti has forums you can read and participate in and there are a lot of video tutorials online.
 

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I love my Asus RT-AC68U, it's a little old now but still a great option. VPN and lots of other features. Always getting updates so nice to know Asus stays in top of it. They have newer options but still happy.
 

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I love my Asus RT-AC68U, it's a little old now but still a great option. VPN and lots of other features. Always getting updates so nice to know Asus stays in top of it. They have newer options but still happy.
The constant updates of firmware is a real plus with asus.....many of these other home network routers leave their users hanging with security issues/holes
 
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