MV-22B Osprey Crash

[SJGUSMC21]

They were starting to bring them into the service when I retired. I am very thankful I never had to ride in one, as I never liked them. They seemed to me, far to small for the foot print they give off. Just everything about them screamed 'You will build me because our politicians WANT IT in their states!' instead of what was best for the Corps. I have seen two types of aircraft crashes...this and a Harrier at 29 Palms (29 stumps...). Never a pleasant thing. I just feel they could have done so much more and better with an updated/newer version of the 46 or 53's. But what do I know...just my opinion. They haven't released the status of the crew members yet, which is strange. I truly hope they are OK.

 

[tigerwillow1]

Swiveling engines, folding rotor blades, rube goldberg engine coupling, two flight modes. What could possibly go wrong? I don't even trust helicopters. The best definition I've heard was on a TV show a long time ago: A helicopter is 10,000 parts flying in formation.

 

[Parley]

Latest I have seen is that all 5 on board have died. The Glamis area is a part of the desert that I explore. Glamis itself has a lot of sand dunes and is very popular with ATV's and sand buggies. By the way, back around 1970 I stopped at Glamis for gasoline and it had the old style pump that you had to pump the gas up into a glass 10 gallon container and then let gravity take over and let it flow into your gas tank.

 

[SJGUSMC21]

Sad, sad day. God bless them all.

Marines killed in military aircraft crash in California have been identified

Authorities have identified the U.S. Marines who were killed when an Osprey tiltrotor they were riding in crashed near Glamis, California on June 8, 2022.

www.foxnews.com

 

[TonyR]

That is very unfortunate and sad. My prayers go out for those killed and to their families.

That being said, I've always been leery of such a sensitive, fly-by-wire aircraft, even as they have evolved and became more dependable, they've also become more complex. One little glitch, software or hardware, can have disastrous results. Even a great pilot can't take over to bypass them and use their skills to overcome such defects or malfunctions and affect the outcome positively, it seems.

Accidents and incidents involving the V-22 Osprey

 

[sebastiantombs]

When I look at the Osprey I see an amazing machine but know it was developed along the line of the plot from "The Pentagon Papers". Trying to do too many things with one overly complex solution. I'm surprised it doesn't have a snowcone machine, too.

 

[SJGUSMC21]

I was active duty during its creation, floundering, numerous Marine deaths, then like Lazarus, it was revived...all because of contracts in certain states meant jobs and votes for certain politicians. The brass was pretty much forced to accept it, do or die mentality. Well, we see where it is. I never liked it, I never saw a reason or purpose for it that our mission didn't already have aircraft (granted about as old as I am or close) that could still do the MARINES MISSION. Yes, we could have invested that money into something else much, much better, safer and I am damn well sure, less expensive. But just as Eisenhower said, 'Beware the industrial complex' Some day I will talk about me getting invited to sit on a board at Quantico VA when they were brainstorming the M-4 and it the results form field trials were in. I was basically told to shut my mouth as this is what the COMMANDANT WANTED, AS WELL AS THE POLITICIANS. End of story. But that is for another day.....

'In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.'
Dwight D. Eisenhower January 17, 1961

 

[wittaj]

Three of those buzzed my house about a month ago and I am still amazed they have those in service. Incredible machine, but way too many moving parts and opportunities for disaster for my liking.

Do they even adjust them in flight now, or do they keep as helicopter for whole flight or airplane for whole flight?

 

[SJGUSMC21]

Three of those buzzed my house about a month ago and I am still amazed they have those in service. Incredible machine, but way too many moving parts and opportunities for disaster for my liking.

Do they even adjust them in flight now, or do they keep as helicopter for whole flight or airplane for whole flight?

They adjust, thats why they are called 'tilt' rotors. I think this is what you were asking.

How the V-22 Osprey Plane Works

The Osprey is a unique aircraft. How does it work? And what has caused its recent failures? Get an in-depth look at the aircraft's systems and design.

science.howstuffworks.com

 

[wittaj]

^Yep, my question is do they still have it tilt in flight, say takeoff as a helicopter and tilt them in flight to fly like an airplane, or will they keep it in one flight mode now? My understanding is the transition is where the problems have occurred.

When they buzzed my house, they were in helicopter mode.

 

[sebastiantombs]

Can the Osprey land like a conventional airplane, fixed wing, flight mode? Those props look like they'd hit the ground in airplane mode.

Transition is always tricky because you need enough forward speed to provide "rotation", lift, speed to support the fixed wing configuration flight. It is the most dangerous part of the flight and the Harrier Jump Jet has similar problems but they seem to have worked out a pretty good system for the Harrier.

 

[Parley]

Three of those buzzed my house about a month ago and I am still amazed they have those in service. Incredible machine, but way too many moving parts and opportunities for disaster for my liking.

Do they even adjust them in flight now, or do they keep as helicopter for whole flight or airplane for whole flight?

I see them every now and then above my house. I live close to the Los Alamitos Joint Air Base.

 

[SJGUSMC21]

Skip to :50.

'Can the Osprey land like a conventional airplane, fixed wing, flight mode? Those props look like they'd hit the ground in airplane mode.'

 

[sebastiantombs]

That's what I thought. Interesting that they rotate the props while at an air speed more than sufficient to provide enough lift to keep it aloft. Sort of an insurance policy I guess. As long as everything works right mechanically it's an interesting system. Dependability is the key though.

 

[SJGUSMC21]

Well, shit. Lets just kill more service members while we serve the needs of the politicians districts that need jobs. F**king awesome!

 

[TonyR]

Look at that Vee tail...Beechcraft Bonanzas couldn't make it work really well, hence the nickname "The Doctor Killer." Hopefully the V-280 can.

 

[CCTVCam]

Why don't they put in a CAPS System such as found in civilian aircraft?

OK useless below 500ft although no doubt with miltary develoment and funding the whole system for both civilian and military can get a lot better.

 

[00Buck]

Back in 2009 We were doing grounding testing at the airfield at Camp Atterbury and the airfield commander gave me permission to take some pictures.
About 3 weeks later I learned they were training for a mission in Afghanistan.

 

[qflyer]

Look at that Vee tail...Beechcraft Bonanzas couldn't make it work really well, hence the nickname "The Doctor Killer." Hopefully the V-280 can.

The V-tail wasn’t the problem. It was the doctor behind the controls.

 

[SJGUSMC21]

Great pics! Thank you for posting them!