Onvif Compatible Doorbell Cam

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  1. sealfab

    sealfab n3wb

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    Here is what Im looking for
    • ONVIF compatible
    • Cost under 1000 usd
    • Not made by some trendy startup company that may or may not exist next year
    • POE
    • Does not rely on cloud services to function

    Not required but would be nice is SIP two way audio

    Maybe Im asking to much and just need to install a separate pinhole camera and than a sip intercom

    Thanks
     
  2. badmop

    badmop Getting the hang of it

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    Just trying to help, have you saw RING?
    I do not know any technical specs about it, but just in case if you haven't looked at it.
     
  3. The_Penguin

    The_Penguin Getting the hang of it

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    I don't think Ring passes the "Trendy Startup" and "Does not rely on Cloud" criteria.

    I think Dahua and Hikvision are missing out on some sales not having something like this.
     
  4. sealfab

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    Agreed, I have to two customers who would buy tomorrow. I looked at ring.com and they do not publish many specs so I called them and they were not very knowledgeable but did confirm there is no way to connect to the cameras video stream via onvif. This axis model seems nice http://www.axis.com/us/en/press-center/press-release/3854 I just wish the cost was about 25 percent less.
     
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    Dahua makes some units...never tried them though...
     
  6. badmop

    badmop Getting the hang of it

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    I had no idea about the non cloud part on RING, I wouldn't consider it either for that reason alone.
     
  7. korin

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    Have you looked at doorbird? I know know if they pass your startup test, but the camera supports ONVIF, can be powered by mains or POE, supports communication over ethernet or 802.11 b/g/n WiFi, SIP/VoIP, has a relay to control an electronic door strike, and has an android and iOS app for communication
    It's avilable in a number of different configurations, from a $349 plastic housed "doorbell" style up to a $1,000 stainless-steel high security fence-installation model

    A good review: http://www.cepro.com/article/doorbi...orbell_camera_for_home_automation_integration

    A very detailed review along with some DIY info and info about the API: https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/3u2f2i/doorbird_a_comprehensive_review/
     
  8. Del Boy

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    $349 for the plastic version? First post.... I smell SPAM

    That's ridiculous by the way.
     
  9. korin

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    ridiculous that its $349? Well, if you can find something with those features for cheaper, id be glad to hear about it. The Ring is $200 and doesn't have nearly that capability
     
  10. korin

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    If you dont like plastic, then pay $570 for a stainless model. The features are the same for all form factors. Compared to the $1,200 AXIS A8004-VE that the OP linked to, this one is a steal.
     
  11. Del Boy

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    patrocle and tangent like this.
  12. korin

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    Dude, I don't know what your problem is. I stumbled on this post looking for info on whether The Ring supports ONVIF (it doesn't) and thought that OP might want to know about something that actually meets his criteria. Where did you even come from? You weren't participating in this convo at all until you decided to jump down my throat. Sorry if you're having a bad day - go take it out on someone else.

    Your link doesn't work, by the way so I took the liberty of finding specs elsewhere. The DHI-VTO2111D-WP looks nifty, but the very limited specs from Dahua don't say anything about ONVIF or POE, not to mention I can find no pricing info, no one seems to be selling it (I presume OP want's something he can actually buy) and its *gasp* made of plastic.

    *edit* i see it does support POE, but 802.3af means active POE, so no passive POE injectors
     
  13. Del Boy

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    Why would you want to use a passive PoE injector?

    You weren't in this convo until you starting suspiciously peddling this product in your first ever post in a thread that is over 6 months old.
     
  14. korin

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    And what a warm welcome I have received as a new member to your lovely community. You really do make quite the first impression. Maybe you could consider that just because you have a strong opinion about something, it doesn't mean that others don't have their own priorities and preferences. I would use a passive POE injector because it does what I need at a reasonable price, is that not a good enough reason? I did take a moment (regrettably) to look over some of your replies in other threads and I can see that this just seems to be your standard tone; I can see that no matter what I say, it will only be an excuse for you to come back with some snarky reply, so I'll leave you to your opinions.
     
  15. Del Boy

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    You are recommending passive PoE with a $570 camera? That doesn't need me to voice an opinion.

    I stand by my first post.... SPAM

    P.S. I've helped more people around here for free than you have, so get off your high horse.
     
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  16. korin

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    Well, believe what you want. I believe you are a self-absorbed blowhard here for no reason other than to vomit your opinions at others.
     
  17. Del Boy

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    Bye spammer, go peddle your product elsewhere.

    Oh btw I found a more impartial review. It was the 4th hit on Google for doorbird. Strange how you didn't post a link to that.

    http://uk.pcmag.com/doorbird-video-doorbell-d101/72252/review/doorbird-video-doorbell-d101

    "Very expensive" - not only my opinion then I guess.


    • [h=4]PROS[/h]Sharp HD video. Good night vision. Wide field of view.
    • [h=4]CONS[/h]Extremely large. Very expensive. No video recording. Requires wiring.
    • [h=4]BOTTOM LINE[/h]The DoorBird D101 delivers sharp 720p live video and detailed night vision, but it doesn't record video and it's the bulkiest, priciest video doorbell we've seen.
     
  18. Del Boy

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    Definitely worth a read too: http://www.smarthomedb.com/product/doorbird/reviews/p897

    "I am VERY handy. I built my first car, have worked in tool & die, have a garage full of tools accumulated over a lifetime of projects, jobs and the like. I cna fix most anything around a home. I've also been around for a long time.

    But I can't recall the last time I had SO MUCH TROUBLE installing and getting something to work. "
     
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  19. Del Boy

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    How odd that the reddit user post couldn't believe how easy doorbird was to setup but everyone else says is horrible to setup.

    http://the-gadgeteer.com/2015/11/06/doorbird-video-doorbell-review/

    "ConclusionI have mixed emotions about the DoorBird Video Doorbell. It was not as easy to install as the manufacturer states on their website. I didn’t have the patience to figure out all the wiring in our attic to wire the DoorBird properly so I left that task to my husband. You should also know that installing this will require you to drill permanent holes into the exterior of your home to mount the device. Once you have installed it and set it up in the app, the DoorBird is easy to use. It reliably detects visitors and motion, takes pictures, and sends notifications (if you have them turned on) every time a visitor rings the doorbell or every time motion is detected. The video quality of the DoorBird is wonderful and it is very nice to be able to open the app to view the Live video feed at any time. The audio heard by visitors is wonderful as well, but the audio heard through the app was not quite as nice. In addition, the motion sensor was discovered to be too sensitive and since it cannot be adjusted, it was unusable. So, is the DoorBird Video Doorbell worth its $349 price tag? Unfortunately, I would have to say no especially since there are other video doorbells out there that are cheaper and apparently easier to install."
     
  20. korin

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    I have no affiliation with doorbird, I was looking for a doorbell camera and found the product, then I came across this thread as I was looking for comparable alternatives. I joined this site today and provided a helpful answer as my first post. I included pricing and some reviews and technical info to help out, since the OP was looking to connect it up over ONVIF.

    Your first posts back in August were asking for help, by the way, and of course you got helpful replies, not offensive name-calling. What have you contributed at all to this thread other than insults? Have you offered anything at all to answer the OP's request? Have you even considered that I'm trying to help out? No, you're just being an asshole.

    Do you just take it upon yourself to now show up out of the blue to insult everyone who joins this forum to try to answer another member's question? It doesn't look like you were subjected to the type of trolling that you're dishing out today back when you first joined, so don't talk to me about being on a high horse.
     
  21. Del Boy

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    It's embarrassing that you are using lies to try and discredit me here. August? You can't even get that right.

    Helpful answer? Hahaha, you've been called out for peddling your rubbish and over-priced product on here. I'm not being an "asshole" as you put it. I'm trying to stop others being ripped off buying this crap - that is helping OP.

    Go read the reviews I posted links to and sort out the customer service for your product, you have unhappy customers already before name-calling people.
     
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  22. korin

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    You seem to know about all there is about IP doorbells, so maybe you can actually offer something constructive to this conversation. Do you maybe have a product you can suggest which does what the OP asked? Anything constructive at all to provide?
    I doubt it, so I'll direct the remainder of my responses to the OP:


    • Doorbird is ONVIF compatible. You can connect directly to it and view the live stream in blueiris - the reddit link I pasted earlier includes instructions
    • Costis $349 as we have discussed already
    • Trendy startup: I don't know. I don't know how long the company has been around or what else they produce, if anything. The earliest mention I see for this product is prerelease announcements from march of last year.
    • POE 802.11af Type A compatible (uses the same 4 data wires used by 10/100 ethernet)
    • Doesn't require cloud but I read in another review that they have plans to offer cloud recording for those who want it
    • Two-way SIP supported
    • Important Note: Apparently it can be difficult to install if you aren't comfortable installing things that require drilling or wiring. If this is the case, you should probably consider something a little simpler.
    • Additional important note: You should know that this product is not the perfect solution to all of your woes. It won't whiten your teeth, put your kids to bed, or solve world hunger. Its just a camera for your door.

    Competing products mentioned in the reviews provided by our helpful contributor to this thread include:
    Ring - about half the price at $200. Also smaller and easier to install. Battery operated. Requires $30 annual cloud subscription, doesn't support POE, doesn't support ONVIF, wifi only
    SkyBell - same price as Ring. No recording or motion capture, no POE or ONVIF
    August - also $200. Wifi only, no ethernet or POE. Cloud based. No ONVIF
    DoorBot - defunct product

    If anyone has anything helpful to offer, I'm all ears since I'm in the market for the same thing as the OP and would love to find something less than $350, but it looks like most of the competing systems are marketed towards plug-and-play users who aren't interested in compatibility with an existing home automation infrastructure.

    Any further negative commentary from the peanut gallery will be ignored.
     
  23. Del Boy

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    I've provided something constructive. Doorbird get's terrible reviews. I don't know an amazing amount about IP doorbells but I know that this is not a good product no matter how much you promote it.

    Stop promoting your own product and highlighting only negatives of other brands! Either that or stop recommending a product you've never used. The Dahua is better and is in the Q3 catalog so I'm sure it'll be out soon. Better to wait for that and I'm sure most here would agree. OP has already waited 6 months after-all.

    "Apparently it can be difficult to install if you aren't comfortable installing things that require drilling or wiring. If this is the case, you should probably consider something a little simpler." Don't belittle the users who bought your product and provided an honest review. This wasn't their only issue.

    Anyways, the thread was over 6 months old. OP also hasn't been online since Feb. You know this cos you checked, but still shilled your product claiming to help OP.
     
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    Sorry guys, did a quick search through for forums and found 3 hits for doorbird ... please don't immediately write me off as a spammer, i came through looking to see if anyone had any luck adding a doorbird to a Hikvision NVR (i've got a 7616). Anyway - as per the reviews above, i don't understand how they could possibly be that hard to install if you are taking the poe route, it comes with an rj45 dongle, you plug you network cable into it, plug the other end into the back of the doorbird and its done. After a minute or so you get a voice prompt 'device successfully connected to the internet' (unless your lan is setup mongo). Hit up the app store (our experience was iOS) download the doorbird app, the login / password is given to you in text and QR code to scan into the app.

    Game over. Remote devices - iOS / driod / html5 (lan only apparently) can view the live feed at any time ... i just want to plug that live feed into my NVR, i think depending on how long the wireless doorbells themselves are away I may need to buy a ringer in the meantime so that if we are out of earshot of our phones / ipads we wont miss it. Otherwise next weekend im going to have a go at connecting it to my garage roller door, so i can get deliveries dropped in there if needed when im at work.

    This isn't a sell as clearly you have your own firm opinions, i grabbed the D101S, stainless front, shipped from Germany to Sydney in less than a week.
     
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    I also have been researching this for the past few months and have come to same conclusion that korin did in that doorbird is really the only option at the moment.

    As del boy has said, although doorbird meets most of the OP's requirements it's overpriced, bulky, and more complicated than I'm personally looking for: I just want to install something I can hook up to blue iris and power via the existing doorbell wiring
     
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    I'm trying to get hold of the Dahua solution to see if that's any good. Generally Dahua and ONVIF is great. I'll test if it also works with Hikvision NVR but I'm not at the Blue Iris stage of knowledge yet.
     
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    Came here from searching around...

    Similar requirements:

    • onvif compatible / RTSP
    • sip capability (voip calling)
    • poe
    • no cloud service / recurring fees
    • 1MP+ / 720p+ video resolution
    • IR lighting would be nice
    • something that can handle my winter (-20C/-4F)

    While DoorBird sounds promising, it seems quite expensive to 'experiment' with.

    I found two potential products, but no active retailers (save B2B-type sellers)...


    Unfortunately, I can't find any good information about them, but they seem to be sub-$200, which is more attractive...

    Has no one else tinkered with these sort of things? :)
     
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    Once you get into sip capability the price goes way up as far as I know there is the mobotix door station but it does not have onvif and I dont think it has an RTSP stream you can access. Than there is the axis http://www.axis.com/us/en/products/axis-a8004-ve
     
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    I am also interested in a wifi video doorbell that does Onvif or better yet talks Hivision protocol as I run their NVR.