OPINIONS WANTED! What do you think of this package?

[User Name]

I joined this group yesterday and based on some reponses (THANKS to those that did) I put together a "package" that I will be submitting for a school grant. The immediate goal is six fixed cameras. I wanted a system that would also have the possibility of growth to a maximum of 20 cameras in the future. The whole "system" will be installed by volunteers.

I REALLY am a newbie to all this and would appreciate any input. I certainly don't want to be the guy that "blew the grant!"

Dell Computer $1,115
OptiPlex 7050 MT- OptiPlex 7050 MT CTO
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-7700 (QC/8MB/8T/3.6GHz/65W);
Operating System(s) - Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Memory - 8GB 1x8GB 2400MHz DDR4 Memory
Hard Drive - M.2 128GB SATA Class 20 SSD
Video Card - Intel® Integrated Graphics
CD ROM/DVD ROM - 8x DVD+/-RW 9.5mm Optical Disk Drive
Chassis Options - OptiPlex 7050 Tower with 240W
Keyboard - Dell KB216 Wired Keyboard English Black
Mouse - Dell MS116 Wired Mouse Black
Systems Management - Intel® vPro Technology Enabled
Hard Drive Cables and Brackets - No Hard Drive Caddy
Hard Drive - $220
WD Purple 6TB Surveillance Hard Disk Drive
Display - $200
LG 32MA70HY-P 32-Inch Full HD IPS Monitor with Display Port and HDMI Inputs
Software - $60
Blue Iris – Video Security and webcam software
Apps - $40
Blue Iris – Mobile App license – 4 units
UPS - $130
CyberPower CP1000PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1000VA/600W, 10 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower
Cameras - $460
6 - Dahua Ip Camera IPC-HFW1320S 3Mp POE Mini IR Bullet 30m ONVIF 3.6mm
POE Switch - $95
BV-Tech 8 Port Gigabit PoE+ Unmanaged Switch – 130W – 802.3at – POE-SW800G
CAT5e Cable - $200
2000 feet Cat5e network cable
Connectors - $30
Platinum Tools 100010C EZ-RJ45 Cat 6+ Connectors, Clamshell, 50-Pieces
TOTAL = $2,550

 

[fenderman]

You are being hosed on the pc...that dell should be 500 dollars, buy your own 256 ssd for 70 bux. see dell outlet
you dont need a 32 inch display for this...
take the money saved and upgrade the most important part of this package. Get the fixed or varifocal dahua starlight turret 100-170...they are miles ahead of the 3mp bullets.
you can buy an 8 port managed switch for the price you are paying for unmanged and from an well known brand. https://www.amazon.com/8-Port-Gigabit-Managed-Fanless-GS1900-8HP/dp/B00GU1KULM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1526773473&sr=8-8&keywords=8+port+managed+poe+switch

 

[User Name]

You are being hosed on the pc...that dell should be 500 dollars, buy your own 256 ssd for 70 bux. see dell outlet
you dont need a 32 inch display for this...
take the money saved and upgrade the most important part of this package. Get the fixed or varifocal dahua starlight turret 100-170...they are miles ahead of the 3mp bullets.
you can buy an 8 port managed switch for the price you are paying for unmanged and from an well known brand. https://www.amazon.com/8-Port-Gigabit-Managed-Fanless-GS1900-8HP/dp/B00GU1KULM/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1526773473&sr=8-8&keywords=8+port+managed+poe+switch

@fenderman Agreed on the managed port. My bad - I remember reading that now and grabbed the wrong one! I also agree that the computer from Dell is high but I have to specify new equipment and worse case scenario on price. Not seeing anything like the one I choose in the Outlet Store right now.

Cameras are the real difficult thing to figure out right now for me. I don't know what "varifocal" means. Is that zoom? If so, the sytem won't be managed to the point where staff will be zooming or panning at all. That is why I'm looking at fixed. Can you suggest a model number for me? I would guess the school would eventually buy from an Amazon, Best Buy, etc. Any ebay or Aliexpress is out of the game. Thanks.

 

[fenderman]

Start reading the cliff notes...andy from empire has an Amazon store... varifocal is used only at the time of install

 

[mat200]

I joined this group yesterday and based on some reponses (THANKS to those that did) I put together a "package" that I will be submitting for a school grant. The immediate goal is six fixed cameras. I wanted a system that would also have the possibility of growth to a maximum of 20 cameras in the future. The whole "system" will be installed by volunteers.

I REALLY am a newbie to all this and would appreciate any input. I certainly don't want to be the guy that "blew the grant!"

Dell Computer $1,115
OptiPlex 7050 MT- OptiPlex 7050 MT CTO
Processor - Intel® Core™ i7-7700 (QC/8MB/8T/3.6GHz/65W);
Operating System(s) - Windows 10 Pro 64bit
Memory - 8GB 1x8GB 2400MHz DDR4 Memory
Hard Drive - M.2 128GB SATA Class 20 SSD
Video Card - Intel® Integrated Graphics
CD ROM/DVD ROM - 8x DVD+/-RW 9.5mm Optical Disk Drive
Chassis Options - OptiPlex 7050 Tower with 240W
Keyboard - Dell KB216 Wired Keyboard English Black
Mouse - Dell MS116 Wired Mouse Black
Systems Management - Intel® vPro Technology Enabled
Hard Drive Cables and Brackets - No Hard Drive Caddy
Hard Drive - $220
WD Purple 6TB Surveillance Hard Disk Drive
Display - $200
LG 32MA70HY-P 32-Inch Full HD IPS Monitor with Display Port and HDMI Inputs
Software - $60
Blue Iris – Video Security and webcam software
Apps - $40
Blue Iris – Mobile App license – 4 units
UPS - $130
CyberPower CP1000PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1000VA/600W, 10 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower
Cameras - $460
6 - Dahua Ip Camera IPC-HFW1320S 3Mp POE Mini IR Bullet 30m ONVIF 3.6mm
POE Switch - $95
BV-Tech 8 Port Gigabit PoE+ Unmanaged Switch – 130W – 802.3at – POE-SW800G
CAT5e Cable - $200
2000 feet Cat5e network cable
Connectors - $30
Platinum Tools 100010C EZ-RJ45 Cat 6+ Connectors, Clamshell, 50-Pieces
TOTAL = $2,550

Hi User,

Looking good for that grant request, remember when you are ready to buy - you can save money on the PC

For the cameras, go with the IPC-HDW5231xxx starlights... I have both those and the 1320 model and the starlights are far superior at night. Remember you can go for the fixed lens version after your grant is approved.

 

[fenderman]

if you are forced to buy new (though i dont see anyone knowing the difference if you use the dell outlet), the dell xps 8930 may be a better value. remember the 8th gen processors are much more powerful than the 7th. Choose windows 10 pro.

 

[User Name]

Hi User,

Looking good for that grant request, remember when you are ready to buy - you can save money on the PC

For the cameras, go with the IPC-HDW5231xxx starlights... I have both those and the 1320 model and the starlights are far superior at night. Remember you can go for the fixed lens version after your grant is approved.

Thank you @mat200. Just what I was looking for. So many cameras, so little time!

 

[suddenstop]

Definitely buy the better cameras - thats the whole point. I would also consider getting an NVR.

 

[mat200]

Thank you @mat200. Just what I was looking for. So many cameras, so little time!

Remember to adds tools to the list

Example:
Professional Modular Crimps, Strips, and Cuts Tool with Ratchet - Monoprice.com

Don't worry - you can get a cheaper one once the grant comes in

Here's a list from my notes at another site:
Tools:
In the notes there's some discussion of tools. Here's a quick review of what you may not already have:

• RJ45 crimping tool: I obtained mine from Monoprice, looked for one with a decent review, others like to go to Amazon
  Professional Modular Crimps, Strips, & Cuts Tool - Monoprice.com
  This one looks like it has good reviews: ( the one I have appears to no longer be carried )
  3 Ways Modular Plug Crimps, Strips, and Cuts Tool with Ratchet - Monoprice.com
• Punch down tool: For patch panel or keystone jacks - optional, although I do recommend using a patch panel.
  Punch-Down Impact Tool for 110/88 Type - Monoprice.com
• Cable Jacket stripper tool: optional - crimping tool often already includes this function. Some like this tool as it maybe faster to use.
  Universal Cable Jacket Stripper - Monoprice.com
• Fish stick: Remember to use electrical tape to keeps the joined sections together. Here's a affordable one.
  3/16 in. x 33 Ft. Fiberglass Wire Running Kit
• Nylon Fish tape: Useful for pulling
  50 Ft. Nylon Fish Tape
• Steal Fish tape: stronger and less flexible compared to nylon. Useful.
  100 Ft. Fish Tape
• Silicone stretch self-bonding tape: imho REQUIRED to seal connection.
  1 in. x 10 ft. Self-Bonding Super Tape
• Cable tester: optional - but a good idea. Example from monoprice, amazon should also be a good source.
  RJ-11 and RJ-45 Modular Plug Tester - Monoprice.com
• Long flexible drill bit: Optional: Great for jobs with wood frame construction when you need to go down or up into walls. I like the ones from the electrical section at Home Depot or Lowes, here's the HF version:
  3/8 in. x 48 in. Flex Drill Bit
  Here's a version from HD:
  Eagle Tool US 9/16 in. x 54 in. Flexible Screw Point Cable Installer Bit with 3/16 in. Diameter Shank-ESP56254 - The Home Depot
• Dielectric grease - useful for putting around the connected M-F RJ45 joint to help keep moister out. Optional for some, required by others.
• Electrical tape, electrical tape, electrical tape, .. and sharpees. Used a lot of electrical tape to secure cables to fish tape. Sharpees were useful for marking cables.
• .. and more, hopefully you will have plenty of the other tools already

Again you're working on the grant proposal right now, so just need to be certain you've asked for enough to do the job well.

When you're ready to buy you can fine tune the actual purchase better.

 

[mat200]

Remember to add junction boxes!

PFA130-E for the turrets!

 

[handinpalm]

The guy in this video is full of misinformation. Silicone grease is NOT conductive, and that is why you want to use it on multi-contact connections.

 

[mat200]

The guy in this video is full of misinformation. Silicone grease is NOT conductive, and that is why you want to use it on multi-contact connections.

Hi Handinpalm,

I've been looking for a better video to show what this stuff is, if you know of one please let me know as I would like to have something visual people can see how you use it.
( scotty indeed does get the conductive aspect wrong, but he does get the application uses right )

 

[handinpalm]

Hi Handinpalm,

I've been looking for a better video to show what this stuff is, if you know of one please let me know as I would like to have something visual people can see how you use it.
( scotty indeed does get the conductive aspect wrong, but he does get the application uses right )

I do not know of any good videos for silicon grease. It is more of a common sense type of thing. Remember it is an insulator, so apply the grease sparingly around the RJ45 contacts, so you don't get globs on the contact interface. Can probably by applied more liberally on the outer surface connector interface, then cover it with your wrapping of choice. Always good to use silicon based grease to keep moisture out and reduce oxidation, because hydrocarbon based grease will make the plastic brittle and can snap over time.