Ouch! I'm a victim of fraud. But #iamcomingforyou

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  1. alastairstevenson

    alastairstevenson Staff Member

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    I do believe that I'm savvy enough not to be taken in by a fraudster, known in the UK as a 'rogue trader'. But I have been. Despite doing what I thought was enough due diligence on the trader prior to handing over any money.
    I'm often on the lookout for different Hikvision products to explore, ideally at low prices (Scots upbringing), so when I found a collection of new (and new to me) devices for sale on Gumtree at a price that seemed too good to be true - they were.
    After a month, no delivery, despite multiple promises. And my emails and texts and phone calls now blocked. In the big scheme of things, not that big a deal. More of an embarrassment.

    What is fascinating though, once you get over the feeling of expectations dashed, is how much information the internet can provide.
    Facebook pages, website content, whois domain name lookups, reverse whois lookups (great for investigative work), UK Companies House searches (multiple compulsorily dissolved companies - that says something), links to family members and friends, Google StreetView etc etc.
    The connections just grow and grow. Once it's out there, it's out there.
    I feel just like one of the Chinese teens who get class credits for filling out their target research portfolio in support of the APT. But that was in another life.

    I'll hopefully be finding out how the UK courts system deals with this type of unwanted situation.
    There is a 'Simple Procedure' Court process in Scotland that's remarkably well supported by advice and guidance.
    Once some time-based pre-requisites have been completed I'll be initiating that.

    Without wanting to prejudice any future activity by giving too much away - and admittedly a bit of a long shot (but there was a Facebook post that got quickly deleted) I wondered if any Scottish members of this forum had any dealings with any CCTV supply and install companies in the central belt of Scotland, specifically in the Livingston, West Lothian area. If so - I'd be interested to hear from you.
     
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    fenderman Staff Member

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    @alastairstevenson feel free to name names when you feel the time is right...
    How did you send payment?
     
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    alastairstevenson Staff Member

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    The payment was sent via a bank transfer to an account reference on a company invoice. So none of the protection that a credit card payment would give.
    The whole thing was very plausible, well constructed.
    But it seems to be a lot of effort for the sums involved.
     
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    Ugh, low life scum sucking POS.
    Hope you get him.
     
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    I look forward to hearing about your future successful conclusion.
     
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    My bank has told me, it's out there and it will be used at some point. I've had my debit card replaced 3 times in the past 5 years. My Credit Union is VERY good about catching fraudulent purchase's and stop them before they can complete.

    Couple of yrs ago, my brother in law gets a phone call from a place in Canada, and asks "Did you order $13,000 worth of trashcans from
    us" Uh, no. Ok, we'll not process the order. And this is a guy that is paranoid about EVERYTHING. He claims to have never used a card online.
     
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    I'm curious whether the Facebook page is down, or if the trader has just blocked my access to it.
    I'd appreciate it if any forum member that's not on my Facebook 'friends list' (just in case he's checking connections) could check out the Facebook link at the bottom of this website and see if it works for them. It doesn't work for me - maybe I'm on the blocked list.
    CCTV Installer - ATsecuritas - Livingston, Scotland
     
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    its down...side note, wtf is that music on their page...
     
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    alastairstevenson Staff Member

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    It's as bad and as annoying as his inability to deliver the items bought and paid for in good faith.
     
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    That website is terrible, I love this bit...

    Sounds more like you are getting a kid who left school at 16 for a day!
    How on earth can you supply an Engineer for £99 a day? It would be several times that for a installer, let alone an 'Engineer'.

    If you want to check a website try, Is It Down Right Now? Website Down or Not?, they will test it for you.
     
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    i met a guy from UK, we made business for many years, one time he bought many cams and told me he has a big project and no enough money to invest, so i think I have to support him, but he disappeared and told him bankrupt and disappeared. I am bit shocked for that guy, i still can see him on facebook, seems not bad. that lot i lost 8000usd....
     
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    That guy needs a visit from someone large and angry...
     
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    Name and shame him Andy, a few UK guys on here.
     
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    It would be ironic if the trading name was one of these :
    RSTECHNOLOGIES SCOTLAND LTD Company number SC409377
    AG CCTV LIMITED Company number SC375973
    ONECALLSECURITY LTD Company number SC363807
    ATSecuritas
     
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    PREDATORS FACE and ROLLING THUNDER.
    that might stop him ripping people off and send him back to his last 3 company's
     
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    EMPIRETECANDY IPCT Vendor

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    called Dave Wilks he lived in Potland of UK.
     
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    You can show the payment proof to the police and last time there has a friend from NL and also met a fraud, the supplier mail box attacked, and changed their bank account from HSBC HK to a UK bank, bad luck, lost 30K EUROS.
     
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    Careful, some scams try to first acquire account and routing numbers and then later commit a larger fraudulent transaction. There's shockingly little protection against eft fraud. See if your bank will let you add 2fa to your account for all interaction with them and all wire transfers. Some banks use software tokens on your phone others issue rsa keyfobs, but it may not be available from all banks or on all accounts.
     
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    It's taken a while to get through the various required actions and the time allowed for responses, however -

    On 4th April the local Sheriff Court upheld my claim against the respondent rogue trader for non-delivery of the Hikvision NVR and cameras that I paid for, and has issued a Court Order and decreed that the items must be delivered within 28 days, and the costs of the Claim to be reimbursed.
    Failing delivery, the respondent must repay the money plus £200 compensation for my time plus the costs of the claim.

    If there is no remedy within the 28 days, the claimant (that's me) can instruct Sheriff Officers to enforce the Court Order by performing a variety of actions to recover the money, including 'attachment' where money or goods of a suitable value can be seized from the respondent and liquidated.

    So a bit more waiting - but this unfinished transaction is heading for a conclusion.
     
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    I didn't realize treble damages were just a US thing. Glad you're getting some resolution.