CodeProject.AI Version 2.5

TDatta · Mar 6, 2024

MikeLud1 said:
The Coral has a limited amount of memory and running two models is causing the CPU to be used and that is what is causing the slow speed.

Thanks that makes sense. Confirmed cpu is used for some calls when looking at info in CPAI.

Any thoughts on the rest of the erratic behavior.
CPAI is latest version, using EfficientDet, small or tiny.
I feel this is a BI issue, not sending calls properly or something similar, since the issues didn’t exist before updating BI.

lastly, is there some way to integrate your custom models into the docket image of CPAI? Or are they not ready for Coral, or maybe already in there?

MikeLud1 · Mar 6, 2024

TDatta said:
Thanks that makes sense. Confirmed cpu is used for some calls when looking at info in CPAI.

Any thoughts on the rest of the erratic behavior.
CPAI is latest version, using EfficientDet, small or tiny.
I feel this is a BI issue, not sending calls properly or something similar, since the issues didn’t exist before updating BI.

lastly, is there some way to integrate your custom models into the docket image of CPAI? Or are they not ready for Coral, or maybe already in there?

If you think there is a issue with an update to Blue Iris then email Blue Iris support. For custom models for the Coral I am not sure when we will have them.

TDatta · Mar 6, 2024

MikeLud1 said:
If you think there is a issue with an update to Blue Iris then email Blue Iris support. For custom models for the Coral I am not sure when we will have them.

thanks for all that you are doing.

CCTVCam · Mar 7, 2024

snuuba said:
I will stick with my AMD GPU based system running yolo5vNET (large) with custom models.

My single Coral TPU (yolo8v / medium) test system is using the same cameras and trigger settings, while inference is faster with Coral (about 15ms vs 25-30ms), otherwise Coral is not doing so well. Accuracy is way lower, if yolo5v/custom detects something at 75%, coral yolov8/no custom models might detect it at 45-55%. Setting threshold for alert this low causes a lot of false positives.

I can't really see how the Coral would affect accuracy. It simply processes the information sent to it. If there's an accuracy issue it's more likely with the Yolo 8 model than the Coral. The only influence you should see from the Coral is one affecting speed, one way or another, or discarded calls if it's struggling to keep up.

CCTVCam · Mar 7, 2024

MikeLud1 said:
The Coral has a limited amount of memory and running two models is causing the CPU to be used and that is what is causing the slow speed.

Shouldn't it be using system memory?

mailseth · Mar 7, 2024

The Coral uses 8-bit integers, so there may be some degradation due to that. It shouldn’t be noticeable, however. I suspect that there has been something else going on.

The Coral also only has 8 mb of internal memory. A model such as YOLOv8 medium is 24 mb in size. So all of the model past those first 8 mb of parameters runs on the CPU. One advantage of multiple TPUs is you’re able to put the first 8 mb on one TPU and the second 8 mb on the next TPU.

snuuba · Mar 7, 2024

Here is another test with single Coral TPU. I switched to "tiny" Yolov8 model to alleviate possible problems with memory. Blueiris 5.8.8.1 / CP.AI 2.5.6 (fresh install as per first page instructions)

This alert was cancelled with AI error 500, due to "Unable to create interpreter"

Few seconds later CP.AI was able to process one of the frames, most of the frames ended up with "Unable to create interpreter".

CP.AI info:

System info:

snuuba · Mar 7, 2024

TDatta said:
CPAI is running on a separate server

Restarting BI results in all CPAI calls failing, regardless of which options are enabled. It seems I need to go and start changing settings for it to work. I can change settings back to the starting configuration which didnt work, but will now work after cycling through different settings.

When I was running CP.AI in a remote server, I used "Override server" option on per camera "AI" option page. I think that this results in Blue Iris using default model on the remote CP.AI server and images are processed (sometimes, mostly with AI Error 500)

When running CP.AI locally with Coral model I had to enable "Default object detection" in "Blue Iris settings", without that option no request were shown in CP.AI console, but Blue Iris reported something like "nothing found, 4ms", not sure about the exact wording.

snuuba · Mar 7, 2024

CCTVCam said:
I can't really see how the Coral would affect accuracy. It simply processes the information sent to it. If there's an accuracy issue it's more likely with the Yolo 8 model than the Coral. The only influence you should see from the Coral is one affecting speed, one way or another, or discarded calls if it's struggling to keep up.

Yes, the difference in accuracy is due to using default model yolo8v with Coral vs using Ipcam Custom models with non coral system. Getting ip-cam custom models support with Coral would probably fix this.

TDatta · Mar 7, 2024

snuuba said:
When I was running CP.AI in a remote server, I used "Override server" option on per camera "AI" option page. I think that this results in Blue Iris using default model on the remote CP.AI server and images are processed (sometimes, mostly with AI Error 500)

When running CP.AI locally with Coral model I had to enable "Default object detection" in "Blue Iris settings", without that option no request were shown in CP.AI console, but Blue Iris reported something like "nothing found, 4ms", not sure about the exact wording.

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Thanks. I’ll try out the override. I wonder if there is a way to see what BI is passing to CPAI for each call.

Tinman · Mar 7, 2024

Having an issue with getting BI to show the custom models on the latest update 5.8.8.2 Rebooted 2 times and tried the start/stop AI in BI itself, no luck. Reverted back to 5.8.8.1 and they show up first time.

I sent BI support a note.

MikeLud1 · Mar 7, 2024

Tinman said:
Having an issue with getting BI to show the custom models on the latest update 5.8.8.2 Rebooted 2 times and tried the start/stop AI in BI itself, no luck. Reverted back to 5.8.8.1 and they show up first time.

I sent BI support a note.

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All you need to do is restart Blue Iris service and the custom model list will update.

Steve_Texas · Mar 7, 2024

Regarding the issue with the greyed-out AI settings in AI, I had to first stop the CodeProject AI service that was running on my remote AI box and then restart the BI service. Doing this unlocked the screen and allowed me to make changes. I hope this helps someone else who is running CPAI on a remote machine (not on the same box as BI).

And thanks to all that keep providing excellent support here. This is such a cool product combination and it is great to have the support to make it work.

hapstabu · Mar 7, 2024

Tinman said:
Having an issue with getting BI to show the custom models on the latest update 5.8.8.2 Rebooted 2 times and tried the start/stop AI in BI itself, no luck. Reverted back to 5.8.8.1 and they show up first time.

I sent BI support a note.

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CodeProject.AI Server service needs to be up and running before Blue Iris starts.
Blue Iris pulls the models when it starts, so if CodeProject is not there yet, you will get no model list.
Set the Blue Iris service to Automatic (Delayed Start).

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hapstabu · Mar 7, 2024

Steve_Texas said:
Regarding the issue with the greyed-out AI settings in AI, I had to first stop the CodeProject AI service that was running on my remote AI box and then restart the BI service. Doing this unlocked the screen and allowed me to make changes. I hope this helps someone else who is running CPAI on a remote machine (not on the same box as BI).

And thanks to all that keep providing excellent support here. This is such a cool product combination and it is great to have the support to make it work.

So does that mean that Ken has added some functionality to modify the models listbox contents, as opposed to the listbox being populated automatically when Blue Iris starts? (And you could do nothing to change it?)
Interesting. I'll have to look at that.

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Tinman · Mar 7, 2024

MikeLud1 said:
All you need to do is restart Blue Iris service and the custom model list will update.

Mike, rebooting the computer does this and has always worked before, also doing the stop/start thing in BI 4 times is not normal. As soon as I reverted to 5.8.8.1 they showed up. Just my opinion, but this has ALWAYS been a buggy issue. I update almost every time to test revisions and this is the biggest pain of testing.

MikeLud1 · Mar 7, 2024

Tinman said:
Mike, rebooting the computer does this and has always worked before, also doing the stop/start thing in BI 4 times is not normal. As soon as I reverted to 5.8.8.1 they showed up. Just my opinion, but this has ALWAYS been a buggy issue. I update almost every time to test revisions and this is the biggest pain of testing.

I am on 5.8.8.2 and custom model list is working fine.

Tinman · Mar 7, 2024

hapstabu said:
CodeProject.AI Server service needs to be up and running before Blue Iris starts.
Blue Iris pulls the models when it starts, so if CodeProject is not there yet, you will get no model list.
Set the Blue Iris service to Automatic (Delayed Start).

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Thank you, For some reason mine was set back to automatic, why ?? beats me, but I had that changed a long time ago

Anyway changed it and updated to 5.8.8.2 and then a reboot and it worked !

Tinman · Mar 7, 2024

MikeLud1 said:
I am on 5.8.8.2 and custom model list is working fine.

Well, I got it now. Wondering does the service settings change when BI has an update? Mine was set back to automatic instead of Automatic delayed start. Anyway, something else to keep an eye on when testing

wittaj · Mar 7, 2024

hapstabu said:
So does that mean that Ken has added some functionality to modify the models listbox contents, as opposed to the listbox being populated automatically when Blue Iris starts? (And you could do nothing to change it?)
Interesting. I'll have to look at that.

No, if running CodeProject, because CodeProject runs as a service and the models are already defined, this area is greyed out on that page and why you can't access it.

This option is only available because those running DeepStack have to tell BI which custom models they have, so if you were running DeepStack, this area isn't greyed out.

At some point, some future update to BI will break the ability for DeepStack to work, at which point this box and the box to autostart will disappear as those are only for DeepStack and not Code Project.

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