Review-EmpireTech IPC-B52IR-X3 1/2.8" CMOS 3 × 2 MP bullet cam

is the zoomed version of this able to license plates, or not the intension in this application? I have an idea where I may use this to shoot down my drive, wide captures more yard and all, but as it zooms down it captures the mailbox, etc However, angle slightly and i capture every car driving by... just a thought

Yes as I showed in Post #13

And in the right conditions, the zoom cam can be used as LPR while the other cams are used for overview and identify as each camera is it's own settings.

Ideally to capture the most plates, the camera should be within 60ish feet of the camera with a decent angle.

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Trying to get this new camera all adjusted, positioned, and dialed in this morning. First trick was tightening down the mounting screws. Reviewing the images after that revealed the need to insert a few washers/shims behind one side of the camera mount, to better center the driveway image. Another reason is because the longest-distance camera is now pointing squarely at a shrub. LOL. The motorized up/down works well enough after installing their Chrome plugin, it's just a shame there's no better way to adjust the left/right positioning. It's also a shame camera manufacturers still want to saddle us with browser plugins in the year 2025. :smash:
 
Trying to get this new camera all adjusted, positioned, and dialed in this morning. First trick was tightening down the mounting screws. Reviewing the images after that revealed the need to insert a few washers/shims behind one side of the camera mount, to better center the driveway image. Another reason is because the longest-distance camera is now pointing squarely at a shrub. LOL. The motorized up/down works well enough after installing their Chrome plugin, it's just a shame there's no better way to adjust the left/right positioning. It's also a shame camera manufacturers still want to saddle us with browser plugins in the year 2025. :smash:

It would have been nice for some left/right adjustments in the GUI, but the camera would be even bigger LOL!


Regarding the plug-in, you have to remember (you know, but for those that find this later) that we are not the Dahua and Hikvision intended audience - it is the Dahua authorized installers hoping you will subscribe to their monthly fees to "manage" the system.

While newer cameras are supposed to work with other browsers and not need the plug-in nonsense, keep in mind to ensure full compatibility, IE is still preferred. And this isn't specific to just Dahua either. And sometimes the plug-in nonsense is needed.

It comes down to IE was the most popular browser when these cameras started to be made, so they centered the firmware around one particular browser and they got lazy and never updated the internals of the program to play nice with other browsers as more became available and IE started to fade.

Back when the firmware was written, it was probably a pain to get it to play nice with every different browser, so they went with the most popular one.

They haven't had a need to address this because their intended market (remember it isn't us) is mainly businesses where they have enough light they can stay in default settings so they don't have a need to login to the camera via browser. It is us homeowners that push these to the limits and actually change settings.

As long as their intended market simply uses the NVR as a recording device and to display it on a monitor, they have no need to change what works for their intended market.


Further, Steve1225, who is an installer and works closely with Dahua, said it best here in this post:

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Even though Microsoft has sunset Explorer, it is still available in Windows 11 (hidden). Many older programs rely on the old Trident (HTML-) Engine from IE, even stuff as basic as the old Control Panel. Old browsers are old, so unlike modern browsers where the WebView can be its own component, it's either all or nothing. And since the engine is still required not to break Windows functionality and apps from before 2015, it's still included (but mostly hidden). The whole file manager system is still based on IE. That's also why Device Manager and Control Panel are still there too. Similar to Dahua and Hikvision, Microsoft changed the UI and not the core, and added new features to upgrade its OS. A lot of legacy stuff are hidden.

So contrary to popular belief, Internet Explorer isn't going away anytime soon.
 
Trying to get this new camera all adjusted, positioned, and dialed in this morning. First trick was tightening down the mounting screws. Reviewing the images after that revealed the need to insert a few washers/shims behind one side of the camera mount, to better center the driveway image. Another reason is because the longest-distance camera is now pointing squarely at a shrub. LOL. The motorized up/down works well enough after installing their Chrome plugin, it's just a shame there's no better way to adjust the left/right positioning. It's also a shame camera manufacturers still want to saddle us with browser plugins in the year 2025. :smash:
Yea, the adjustments are very coarse. My rotate adjustment doesn't even lock in at zero and is a few degrees off, which is annoying.

I ended up hanging it from a PFB203W to give more freedom of adjustment L/R. It requires printing a spacer and tapping new holes in the mount, but it made a big difference with adjustments. (You're also able to get more vertical adjustment out of it)

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More pictures, with spacer revisions, here:
 
Finally went to Home Depot to pick up the spacers yesterday afternoon. Temps are 100 and higher here this week, so waited until this morning to install them. Two spacers on the left-hand side were all that was necessary to get the driveway centered.
 

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Question: if this camera has stronger IR and same sensor as the Z12, why isn't this a good/better LPR camera than Z12? Assuming the tele lens on this fits well the road, of course. Has anybody compared this with Z12 for LPR?
 
Question: if this camera has stronger IR and same sensor as the Z12, why isn't this a good/better LPR camera than Z12? Assuming the tele lens on this fits well the road, of course. Has anybody compared this with Z12 for LPR?



It all comes down to distance. The Z12E goes to 60mm while this camera is less than half that at 25mm, but at that zoom, most would opt for the 5442-Z4E (54IR-Z4E).

But sure if your distance from camera to car is within the reasonable distance of a 25mm lens, then this is a good choice.

I show in this post this camera being used to read plates.



 
Question: if this camera has stronger IR and same sensor as the Z12, why isn't this a good/better LPR camera than Z12? Assuming the tele lens on this fits well the road, of course. Has anybody compared this with Z12 for LPR?
The biggest draw back is the inability to adjust zoom or focus.

It all comes down to distance. The Z12E goes to 60mm while this camera is less than half that at 25mm, but at that zoom, most would opt for the 5442-Z4E (54IR-Z4E).

But sure if your distance from camera to car is within the reasonable distance of a 25mm lens, then this is a good choice.

I show in this post this camera being used to read plates.



I will post some pictures later, but the 25mm of this camera is actually longer than the 32mm of the Z4E, by quite a bit.
 
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The 25mm lens/sensor on the 3X cam is shit compared to the Z12
 
The angle of attack is slightly different, but it doesn't make any difference.

In the 3X image it is zoomed past the trees. In the Z4E image, you can clearly see the trees, despite 7mm more focal length.

3X at 2MP and 25mm
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Z4E at 4MP and 32mm
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The angle of attack is slightly different, but it doesn't make any difference.

In the 3X image it is zoomed past the trees. In the Z4E image, you can clearly see the trees, despite 7mm more focal length.

3X at 2MP and 25mm
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Z4E at 4MP and 32mm
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Yeah thats weird.

I wonder if its using some digital zoom type enhancement? That would explain why at night it becomes so pixelated at distance
 
I will give it credit for detection at longer range (300-400ft). It does seem to be quite accurate in detection

But, like I've said from Day#1, they should have used 1/1.8" sensors like in the 5442 and they would have sold a gazillion of them. Dahua has for the last few years focused on cheap, bells & whistles, and AI. They seem to have lost sight of quality image being a priority.
 
The angle of attack is slightly different, but it doesn't make any difference.

In the 3X image it is zoomed past the trees. In the Z4E image, you can clearly see the trees, despite 7mm more focal length.

3X at 2MP and 25mm
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Z4E at 4MP and 32mm
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think i wrote this like 4 months ago. so nothing new here. the spec focal lenghts are not accurate compared to other models
 
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I didn't want to admit to watching this video, but I guess here we are...

His explanation makes sense. The sensor size will have an effect on the FOV of the scene, even with two cameras of the same focal length.

 
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That’s why I didn’t want to admit to watching the video, but the chapter at 2:00 explains why the FOV is different between the 3X and the Z4E.

Unfortunately, sometimes, he does present useful information.
 
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I didn't want to admit to watching this video, but I guess here we are...

His explanation makes sense. The sensor size will have an effect on the FOV of the scene, even with two cameras of the same focal length.



this is true... and not :)

true - yes changing sensor size you must change focal length to have the same FOV.. basic of optics...

false - because focal lengths we use with cctv cams (like 2.8mm or 3.6mm) are not true focal lengths.. but calculated / virtual ones to one unified cctv sensor size...

so if you buy 2.8mm dahua cams with 1/3", 1.28", 1.25", 1/1.8" and 1/1.2" sensors - they will have almost identical FOV (plus minus a fee degrees due some calculation / production errors)..

because 2.8mm focal length described in camera spec sheet are not REAL one, but CALCULATED one..

this is the same in profesional camera world - where 28mm means usually the same FOV in different sensor size cameras.

In APS-C (not full frame) camera world, lenses have usually two focal lengths - one real one (which works for full frame camera), one calculated one (which works for APS-C sensor size camera)...
 
How do you explain the disparity between the 25mm 3X and 32mm Z4E FOVs?

I did in past big post about this - there is second problem with focal lengths in cctv world...

not only they are recalculated / virtual - but ranges in varifocals are totally FAKED for marketing / comparison purposes..

5442 ZE 2.8-12mm should have 4.2x zoom range (12mm / 2.8mm = 4,286) - is 115 degrees / 47 degrees = 2,447 real zoom range
5442 Z4E 8-32mm should have 4x zoom range (32mm / 8mm = 4) - is 43 degrees / 15 degrees = 2,867 real zoom range

they same in HIK world...

5442 ZE which ends at 12mm should overlap with zoom level with Z4E which starts at 8mm...

But they DON'T overlap at all - Z4E starts with little more zoomed that ZE ends..