- Apr 20, 2018
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(I consolidated my posts from another thread to make info on this camera a little easier to find. Please check out the video clips towards the bottom of the post.)
I'll post more pictures later, but here's some to wet your whistle. I found that enabling WDR on the 1831E is neither very helpful, nor as necessary as it is on the Pro Series, because it has pretty good WDR out of the box. The night shots below are with WDR OFF on the 1831E and @ 100 on the 5831R-ZE. Shutter speeds are the same.
Day:
5831R-ZE
1831E
Night:
5831R-ZE (WDR @100)
5831R-ZE (WDR @100 Forced Color w/ same settings)
1831E (No WDR same settings)
1831E (No WDR Flip-Flops between Color and B&W)
IPC-HDW2531R-ZS (WDR @10, other settings the same)
5231R-ZE (WDR @10 same settings) ...and this is why I left the starlight up where it was...lol.
Some observations:
1) This camera does excellent in color for some reason. (firmware update for noise while in B&W, or lens might need re-focused while in B&W mode to help w/ clarity at distance)
2) @ $135 this camera is an outstanding deal compared to the $240 5831R-ZE
3) This does really well when decoding in H.265 (nice clean image) BUT...the image is a little soft compared to H.264
Ok here's a video clip of the 4231EM-ASE and 1831E.
BOTH ARE AT THE SAME SETTINGS (Shutter @ 1/100, Gain 100, WDR 100) UNLESS NOTED.
INFRARED IS OFF ON BOTH CAMERAS! (much more difficult lighting situation than I would normally have the cameras set to)
4231EM-ASE (Gamma @ 50, 3DNR @ 20)
Still Image:
1831E (Gamma @ 100, 3DNR @ 50)
Still Image:
What's really interesting, is how this performs in color compared to the 4231EM-ASE...see for yourself.
1831E (Shutter @Customized Range 0-14ms / WDR @1 / 3DNR @50 / Gain @50 / Gamma @35 )
4231EM-ASE (Shutter @Customized Range 0-13ms / WDR @10 / 3DNR @20 / Gain 50)
I still think the 4231EM-ASE has a slight advantage (it can become MUCH brighter when you raise the GAMMA than the 1831E) but overall image quality is very, very close when you tweak the settings a little bit (just raised the Gamma and 3D NR).
I find it very interesting that you can raise the 3D NR so far. On nearly all of my other cameras, raising the 3D NR to values above 10-15 result in MAJOR GHOSTING in moving objects.
The 1831E can maintain a MUCH HIGHER NOISE REDUCTION RATE W/OUT GHOSTING. So, there must be some kind of new-fangled wizardry at play here. Very impressed.
Once again, this is running the 1831E w/ newest firmware that allows you to set the bitrate to 15104kbps (as opposed to the 8192kbps officially stated) and only @ 7fps (the 4231EM-ASE I ran @ 22fps and 10240kbps)
I definitely think this, hands down, outperforms the existing 8MP "Pro/Eco-Savvy" line of cameras. I would personally, not buy any other 8MP than this one. And for that matter, any other camera EXCEPT the Starlights (and of course the ULTRA series, but who has that kind of dough ;-) )
@EMPIRETECANDY Any rumors about them making a Turret design? Anyways, here's hoping
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P.S. - Just lost power here and when everything boots back up, neither this camera, nor the other 2MP, 6MP, Cameras hold their "Customized" bitrate. FYI
Has anyone done real comparisons w/ H.265 vs. H.264H to test image quality between the two? Because you can at least get decent frame rates out of H.265 at it's "Reference" bitrate as opposed to H.264H
I'll post more pictures later, but here's some to wet your whistle. I found that enabling WDR on the 1831E is neither very helpful, nor as necessary as it is on the Pro Series, because it has pretty good WDR out of the box. The night shots below are with WDR OFF on the 1831E and @ 100 on the 5831R-ZE. Shutter speeds are the same.
Day:
5831R-ZE
1831E
Night:
5831R-ZE (WDR @100)
5831R-ZE (WDR @100 Forced Color w/ same settings)
1831E (No WDR same settings)
1831E (No WDR Flip-Flops between Color and B&W)
IPC-HDW2531R-ZS (WDR @10, other settings the same)
5231R-ZE (WDR @10 same settings) ...and this is why I left the starlight up where it was...lol.
Some observations:
1) This camera does excellent in color for some reason. (firmware update for noise while in B&W, or lens might need re-focused while in B&W mode to help w/ clarity at distance)
2) @ $135 this camera is an outstanding deal compared to the $240 5831R-ZE
3) This does really well when decoding in H.265 (nice clean image) BUT...the image is a little soft compared to H.264
Ok here's a video clip of the 4231EM-ASE and 1831E.
BOTH ARE AT THE SAME SETTINGS (Shutter @ 1/100, Gain 100, WDR 100) UNLESS NOTED.
INFRARED IS OFF ON BOTH CAMERAS! (much more difficult lighting situation than I would normally have the cameras set to)
4231EM-ASE (Gamma @ 50, 3DNR @ 20)
Still Image:
1831E (Gamma @ 100, 3DNR @ 50)
Still Image:
What's really interesting, is how this performs in color compared to the 4231EM-ASE...see for yourself.
1831E (Shutter @Customized Range 0-14ms / WDR @1 / 3DNR @50 / Gain @50 / Gamma @35 )
4231EM-ASE (Shutter @Customized Range 0-13ms / WDR @10 / 3DNR @20 / Gain 50)
I still think the 4231EM-ASE has a slight advantage (it can become MUCH brighter when you raise the GAMMA than the 1831E) but overall image quality is very, very close when you tweak the settings a little bit (just raised the Gamma and 3D NR).
I find it very interesting that you can raise the 3D NR so far. On nearly all of my other cameras, raising the 3D NR to values above 10-15 result in MAJOR GHOSTING in moving objects.
The 1831E can maintain a MUCH HIGHER NOISE REDUCTION RATE W/OUT GHOSTING. So, there must be some kind of new-fangled wizardry at play here. Very impressed.
Once again, this is running the 1831E w/ newest firmware that allows you to set the bitrate to 15104kbps (as opposed to the 8192kbps officially stated) and only @ 7fps (the 4231EM-ASE I ran @ 22fps and 10240kbps)
I definitely think this, hands down, outperforms the existing 8MP "Pro/Eco-Savvy" line of cameras. I would personally, not buy any other 8MP than this one. And for that matter, any other camera EXCEPT the Starlights (and of course the ULTRA series, but who has that kind of dough ;-) )
@EMPIRETECANDY Any rumors about them making a Turret design? Anyways, here's hoping
.P.S. - Just lost power here and when everything boots back up, neither this camera, nor the other 2MP, 6MP, Cameras hold their "Customized" bitrate. FYI
Has anyone done real comparisons w/ H.265 vs. H.264H to test image quality between the two? Because you can at least get decent frame rates out of H.265 at it's "Reference" bitrate as opposed to H.264H
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