Best IR IP/PoE camera?

[Bill Gates]

Probably has been asked before many times, but had trouble finding the answer.

What is the best infrared IP/PoE camera for night time use?

 

[wittaj]

Too open ended. IDENTIFY or OVERVIEW? Distance?

But see this thread for the commonly recommended cameras (along with Amazon links) based on distance to IDENTIFY that represent the overall best value in terms of price and performance day and night.

The Importance of Focal Length over MP in camera selection

 

[Bill Gates]

Thanks for the link. Very informative! I'm guessing I could go with the 5442 for 4 MP. Is there any hikvision alternative for this camera? Asking this since Hikvision can be purchased more easily where I live and I also want to possibly compare both cameras.

Is there any good IR camera that is 8 MP? Fixed lens.

I'm looking to possibly identify/recognize people during night if that makes sense. 40 feet or less.

 

[wittaj]

Dahua currently has more model options available that are on the ideal MP/sensor ratio and/or better chips.

Reach out to @EMPIRETECANDY as he sells all over the world and may be able to cost-effectively sell you what many feel are better cameras.

Outside of PTZ cameras, 8MP worth anything (on ideal MP/sensor ratios) only come in fixed lens and many do not see infrared, so you are limited to IDENTIFY at the 15-17 feet range.

Further, these 8MP cameras demonstrate that these cameras are not infinity focus, so anything shorter or longer than the 15-17 foot range will be soft blurry.

Many feel 4MP represents the best overall performance and value in these cameras.

A 4MP camera with a 32mm focal length will beat the socks all night long of an 8MP 3.6mm fixed lens at 40 feet. Won't even be close.

 

[Bill Gates]

Dahua currently has more model options available that are on the ideal MP/sensor ratio and/or better chips.

Reach out to @EMPIRETECANDY as he sells all over the world and may be able to cost-effectively sell you what many feel are better cameras.

Outside of PTZ cameras, 8MP worth anything (on ideal MP/sensor ratios) only come in fixed lens and many do not see infrared, so you are limited to IDENTIFY at the 15-17 feet range.

Further, these 8MP cameras demonstrate that these cameras are not infinity focus, so anything shorter or longer than the 15-17 foot range will be soft blurry.

Many feel 4MP represents the best overall performance and value in these cameras.

A 4MP camera with a 32mm focal length will beat the socks all night long of an 8MP 3.6mm fixed lens at 40 feet. Won't even be close.

Thanks!

 

[steve1225]

Thanks for the link. Very informative! I'm guessing I could go with the 5442 for 4 MP. Is there any hikvision alternative for this camera? Asking this since Hikvision can be purchased more easily where I live and I also want to possibly compare both cameras.

Is there any good IR camera that is 8 MP? Fixed lens.

I'm looking to possibly identify/recognize people during night if that makes sense. 40 feet or less.

In case of HIK situation / availability of good cameras with bigger sensitive sensor is much more complicated.

there is ColorVu line, which have 4/6/8 Mpx big 1/1.8" sensors, but only with White lights...
There is variant named ColorVu with hybrid lights (2CD2xxxG2H models) which have big sensors and both IR and white lights..

But this line is Full Color line - so open F1.0 aperture lens which is not so sharp.
Also cheap plastic chassis, lack of varifocal variants (so only fixed lens like 2.8/3.6mm)..

If You want something better HIK have many cams in Ultra (2CD3xxx) and DeepinMind (2CD7xxx) lines which have big sensor and much better optics...
But they cost much more and availability is much smaller.

If we talk about 8MP and IR. Dahua have 5842 (58IR) line, which is mirror of 5442 (54IR).
The only difference is 2x more pixels and much lower (around 3x) light sensitivity (2 times more pixels in sensor the same size = smaller pixels = smaller light sensitivity)..
Everything else is the same.

8Mpx increase Identify range about 50% vs 4Mpx..

the best solution for longer identify is simply use varifocal models - with optic zoom.
You lose wide angle but gain face/human/car/plate details...

Normal ZE optics for 54IR/58IR gives You 1x-3x zoom range (110 to 45 degree horizontal view).
There is Z4E variant optics for 54IR/58IR which gives You 3x-9x zoom range (45 to 15 degree horizontal view)..

Here example 5442-Z4E catching human / faces / cars / plates from public street (camera is mounted on house from same distance to plot)..
night cars / plates pictures don on strong IR from camera...

 

[EMPIRETECANDY]

Low light cameras the 4mp and 4K both have, but 4mp will be the best for very low light place.

Motorized lens 4mp

Thread 'Review- EmpireTech IPC-T54IR-ZE-S3 4mp Varifocal Turret'

May 18, 2024

Courtesy of @EMPIRETECANDY we have this camera to check out.

Camera is available HERE or HERE.

• 4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor, low luminance, and high definition image.
• Outputs max. 4MP (2688×1520) @25/30 fps.
• Built-in IR LED, and the max. illumination distance is 40 m.
• ROI, SVC, SMART H.264+/H.265+, AI H.264/H.265, encoding after filter, flexible coding, applicable to various bandwidth and storage environments.
• Rotation mode, WDR, 3D NR, HLC, BLC, digital watermarking, applicable to various monitoring scenes.
• With deep learning algorithm, it...

• looney2ns

• 

Fixed lens 4MP

Post in thread 'Review- EmpireTech IPC-T54IR-AS-S3 2.8mm turret fixed lens'

May 28, 2024

Thanks to @EMPIRETECANDY once again for furnishing this camera for fair and honest review.

It can be purchased HERE or HERE.

I have the 2.8mm version, it is also optionally available as a 3.6mm or 6mm lens.

4MP IR Fixed-focal Eyeball Network Camera

• 4-MP 1/1.8" CMOS image sensor, low luminance, and high definition image.
• Outputs max. 4 MP (2688×1520) @25/30fps
• Built-in IR LED, and the max. illumination distance is 50 m.
• ROI, SVC, SMART H.264+/H.265+, AI H.264/H.265, encoding after filter, flexible coding, applicable to various bandwidth and storage...

• TonyR

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4K motorized lens

W

Post in thread 'Review: EmpireTech IPC-T58IR-ZE-S3 / Dahua 5842T-ZE-S3 - 8MP / 4K Turret Camera'

Aug 21, 2024

Yes I may do a comparison video once done with the other reviews. As I mentioned, the image from the sensor is bright and the SOC is very quick. The S3 cams really are a 1 stop shop of a cam that can do many tasks at one thanks to the SOC + packing the cam with Video Metadata. As I mentioned in the video this allows you to open the cam use up to LPR + Face Detection + Human detection all in 1.

Just need the couple of bugs I mentioned, worked on which based on the feedback I sent and examples + the code pointers, should make these easier fixes.

• Wildcat_1

• 

 

[JNDATHP]

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[Tech Lucas]

camera? Asking this since Hikvision can be purchased more easily where I live and I also want

Hi Bil

For Hikvision Cameras, I recommend DS-2CD2743G2 4mp dome ip camera , 2.8-12mm Motorized Varifocal lens IR 40m.



For 8MP with fixed lens, i recommend DS-2CD3183G2 , 8MP, 2.8mm, 6mm, 8mm lens optional.



By the way , is it true you often visit Epstein's island?

 

[TonyR]

You're recommending a dome camera ^^^^ ?

 

[steve1225]

You're recommending a dome camera ^^^^ ?

He recommended dome camera with 8Mpx and 1/2.8" sensor from Hikvision
Everything is wrong

 

[looney2ns]

Hi Bil

For Hikvision Cameras, I recommend DS-2CD2743G2 4mp dome ip camera , 2.8-12mm Motorized Varifocal lens IR 40m.
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For 8MP with fixed lens, i recommend DS-2CD3183G2 , 8MP, 2.8mm, 6mm, 8mm lens optional.
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By the way , is it true you often visit Epstein's island?

Poor recommendation. Those dome cams will do very poor after dark they are on the wrong sensor size. Along with the problems that domes outdoors cause.

 

[TonyR]

He recommended dome camera with 8Mpx and 1/2.8" sensor from Hikvision
Everything is wrong

Poor recommendation. Those dome cams will do very poor after dark they are on the wrong sensor size. Along with the problems that domes outdoors cause.

As soon as I saw the dome I didn't even look at the poor sensor because I personally wouldn't have recommended a dome even if it had a huge 1/1.2" sensor.

 

[Bill Gates]

In case of HIK situation / availability of good cameras with bigger sensitive sensor is much more complicated.

there is ColorVu line, which have 4/6/8 Mpx big 1/1.8" sensors, but only with White lights...
There is variant named ColorVu with hybrid lights (2CD2xxxG2H models) which have big sensors and both IR and white lights..

But this line is Full Color line - so open F1.0 aperture lens which is not so sharp.
Also cheap plastic chassis, lack of varifocal variants (so only fixed lens like 2.8/3.6mm)..

If You want something better HIK have many cams in Ultra (2CD3xxx) and DeepinMind (2CD7xxx) lines which have big sensor and much better optics...
But they cost much more and availability is much smaller.

If we talk about 8MP and IR. Dahua have 5842 (58IR) line, which is mirror of 5442 (54IR).
The only difference is 2x more pixels and much lower (around 3x) light sensitivity (2 times more pixels in sensor the same size = smaller pixels = smaller light sensitivity)..
Everything else is the same.

8Mpx increase Identify range about 50% vs 4Mpx..

the best solution for longer identify is simply use varifocal models - with optic zoom.
You lose wide angle but gain face/human/car/plate details...

Normal ZE optics for 54IR/58IR gives You 1x-3x zoom range (110 to 45 degree horizontal view).
There is Z4E variant optics for 54IR/58IR which gives You 3x-9x zoom range (45 to 15 degree horizontal view)..

Here example 5442-Z4E catching human / faces / cars / plates from public street (camera is mounted on house from same distance to plot)..
night cars / plates pictures don on strong IR from camera...

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Thanks for the information!

What software is that? And I guess the sensor size applies both to IR and color night vision?