Budget system recommendations

MGBMAN

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Aug 18, 2023
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Hi folks,I would like to install something mid range at my residence.I am open to suggestions ,as I would start with an nvr and a camera and add to it as budget allows.
I have found the Hikvision Hilook ,but any other suggestions would be apprciated.Thanks Shawn
 
That is a very open-ended question!

What are the goals - general observation or IDENTIFY? If IDENTIFY, at what distances?

Cloud based (not recommended) or you control?

wifi (not recommended) or wired?

Full coverage or limited coverage?

The cameras we recommend are generally cheaper than the consumer based cameras everyone considers as reasonably priced.

You got some good feedback in your other threads - starting with one good varifocal like the 54IR-ZE (5442-ZE) and BI/PC is a great start:


 
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Ok
Thanks for that, I did ask in the other threads.I am very indecisive ,probably because of cost and quality considerations .
I will have to bite the bullet at some point.
 
Many suffer from analysis by paralysis LOL. I do from time to time as well.

You only buy cheap consumer grade stuff you can get at the store if all you care about is what time it happened.

If you want to be able to get clear pictures day and night, start with the varifocal recommended.


Check out this thread on all the consumer grade junk (most of it wifi) that people have bought and look how poor the performance is.

The Typical picture of a Perp on Nextdoor-type Apps with Consumer Grade Cameras like Ring, Nest, Arlo, Canary, Wyze, etc.


I think the example that @samplenhold provided a while back in this thread shows the difference in quality and that should negate the argument that you have to spend more than consumer grade prices to get quality images.

So they had a door checker one night in 2020.

@samplenhold is using IPC-HDW5231R-ZE which sold in the $150ish range, which has since been replaced with the 5442-ZE that sells for $190ish and here was his capture in a position similar to what his neighbor captured with a Ring:

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Meanwhile his neighbor has the Ring system and his Ring Camera depending on the model ranges from $200 to $250. Here was his image when the perp rang across the street to his house:

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Which camera do you think provides a better image - the expensive cameras we recommend at $150-190ish or the consumer grade Ring at $200-250ish (that also requires a monthly fee)? True expensive top shelf would be going to Axis and better with starting price points around $1,000 per camera. For most of us, we do not see as big of an improvement for a camera 5 times more expensive as we do going from a cheaper reolink to a Dahua OEM as an example.

For most of us, the perps are out at night and that is when we want good video and that can only be obtained by better cameras.

Unless common core math has changed basic arithmetic, our "expensive" camera is cheaper than the consumer grade camera and provides much better results....plus no annual fee that is needed with many of these consumer systems!

I can assure you the Arlo, Reolinks, Nest, etc. will be no better than Ring and probably a lot worse.

If I can get better quality and cheaper cost with no ongoing annual fees, that decision is a no-brainer...and that is the point! Instead of buying a $250 Ring Camera that produces quality like we see here, one would be better off purchasing the varifocal above or $120-ish Dahua OEM varifocal and get much better quality. So start out small with just the Dahua OEM camera and the DMSS app which won't come with an annual fee like Ring and maybe someday one decides to add an NVR or BI to the mix.
 
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Many suffer from analysis by paralysis LOL. I do from time to time as well.

You only buy cheap consumer grade stuff you can get at the store if all you care about is what time it happened.

If you want to be able to get clear pictures day and night, start with the varifocal recommended.


Check out this thread on all the consumer grade junk (most of it wifi) that people have bought and look how poor the performance is.

The Typical picture of a Perp on Nextdoor-type Apps with Consumer Grade Cameras like Ring, Nest, Arlo, Canary, Wyze, etc.


I think the example that @samplenhold provided a while back in this thread shows the difference in quality and that should negate the argument that you have to spend more than consumer grade prices to get quality images.

So they had a door checker one night in 2020.

@samplenhold is using IPC-HDW5231R-ZE which sold in the $150ish range, which has since been replaced with the 5442-ZE that sells for $190ish and here was his capture in a position similar to what his neighbor captured with a Ring:

1665681721078.png




Meanwhile his neighbor has the Ring system and his Ring Camera depending on the model ranges from $200 to $250. Here was his image when the perp rang across the street to his house:

1665681755392.png




Which camera do you think provides a better image - the expensive cameras we recommend at $150-190ish or the consumer grade Ring at $200-250ish (that also requires a monthly fee)? True expensive top shelf would be going to Axis and better with starting price points around $1,000 per camera. For most of us, we do not see as big of an improvement for a camera 5 times more expensive as we do going from a cheaper reolink to a Dahua OEM as an example.

For most of us, the perps are out at night and that is when we want good video and that can only be obtained by better cameras.

Unless common core math has changed basic arithmetic, our "expensive" camera is cheaper than the consumer grade camera and provides much better results....plus no annual fee that is needed with many of these consumer systems!

I can assure you the Arlo, Reolinks, Nest, etc. will be no better than Ring and probably a lot worse.

If I can get better quality and cheaper cost with no ongoing annual fees, that decision is a no-brainer...and that is the point! Instead of buying a $250 Ring Camera that produces quality like we see here, one would be better off purchasing the varifocal above or $120-ish Dahua OEM varifocal and get much better quality. So start out small with just the Dahua OEM camera and the DMSS app which won't come with an annual fee like Ring and maybe someday one decides to add an NVR or BI to the mix.
Wow,what a difference.
So if I can get up and running with a camera and the DMSS app,the only other thing I would need wouild be a POE injector or switch?
Thanks
 
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Wow,what a difference.
So if I can get up and running with a camera and the DMSS app,the only other thing I would need wouild be a POE injector or switch?
Thanks

For one camera, you can get away with and SD card in the camera and use a web browser to log into the camera GUI or use the DMSS app.

It becomes impractical after adding a few more cameras to not add a VMS like and NVR or BI/PC in the mix.

But for one camera, yes the camera, POE injector or POE switch and a computer or tablet/mobile device and you are off and running.