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Kickinback32

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I have posted on reddit and saw this forum and need advice ASAP. The skinny is my neighbor has called the police on my family 5-6 times and each time the officers said her complaints hold no merit. She went ahead and filed for a protection order. We want to document our actions for proof that we are not doing any of the things she claims. The sooner the better as it's the 4th weekend and well I can guarantee she'll be calling the cops because we will have guest at our house /dock.

We we have a dock approx 350-400 feet from our router, the only obstacle is glass. I'm figuring max 5 cams to cover our activity on the dock and another 5-6 around our house. The dock currently has 1 110v outlet but that could be worked around.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html/ref=nav_cart These are the cameras I'm looking at and I'm wondering if those Poe switches will work and what other hardware I would need to setup and install the cameras.

I do apologize for not searching the forum more thoroughly, but I'd like to have everything 1 dayed on shipping. So the faster the better, just an FYI we will be consulting our lawyer tomorrow to make sure the install will not violate the temporary protection order. The cameras will go up after we beat her in court if need be but we'd love to get them up sooner rather than later.


Edit: So it seems like it may be best thing to do is get waterproof housing and separate system for the dock.
 
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So you want cameras on your house and on your dock which is 350 feet away? The max cable length for cat5 is 320 feet. You might be better off doing two systems or using cameras configured to write to SD cards.
You need to figure out how wide of a field of view you need. Do you need to record audio?

I just bought a Hikvision 2332 with a 4mm lense. It has about a 70 degree field of view.

Edit: oh yeah, you can't send a link with your shopping cart like that. The cart is stored with cookies from your browser. You can always test a link from one browser to another on your own PC to see if others will see it. ie - logged in to Amazon on Firefox, paste the link to IE that isn't logged in to Amazon. You will see it doesn't transfer.
I know nothing about the law but it would be safe to assume that you can record yourself, not your neighbor.
 
If this is truly an "emergency" as you allude to: you need something now, then I can stop you right now from worrying about the length of the cat 5 runs, because none of that is something you get from amazon and 20 min later you're up and running. The closest solution for you is, as frankred points out, a camera that can write to an SD card.

Here is one people recommend. I have it, and it works well: http://www.amazon.com/Hikvision-DS-...&qid=1435848381&sr=8-6&keywords=hikvision+3mp

Forget network storage for now. Get that camera (it's an indoor only camera; hikvision--and other brands also make externally rated cameras that take SD cards), and an SD card. Plug the SD card in and you'll get even a couple of days at least if it's on the 1 MP resolution with a 32 GB card, or you can get a 64 GB card and get more.

Nonetheless, even if you overnight this and get it Friday do plan on spending some number of hours fiddling around. I have a very tech savvy neighbor who bought this on my recommendation and although he's happy with it he, like I, spent a lot of time fiddling anyway just figuring things out.

If your neighbor is in the habit of calling cops immediately after these fictional transgressions, you could buy yourself a dash cam and set that up to record the festivities. It may only hold a few hours footage but that would be enough and the learning curve is more like 15-20 minutes instead of hours.
 
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And if you are really in a pinch, do like a lot of other people in this country, use a cell phone when this neighbor comes out to greet your festivities. Having couple of different folks record from phones does wonders when the police show up and you can show first hand what is happening.

Also, a person who is filing a restraining order, if legitimate, would have no reason to be around the accused individual. If you are "scared" enough to file one, you should be just as scared always to be around that individual. The police and the courts know this (or should know this).
 
We already have a go pro that will be running anytime we are going to be at the dock. I had two spare batteries come in today, we just want something we don't have to mess with every time we go to our dock.
 
Kickinback32 said:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00N3RQN1W/ref=twister_B00VRF1IYO?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

How is that for a temp solution?

These are the cams I am considering for a perminate setup http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=AADG0DQXL96E9

I'll try and get pictures of layout for help with the perminate setup.
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I would not recommend either of those. The Uniden cameras may work but it looks like the quality will be garbage. The Ubiquiti cameras will not do what you need and they are overpriced and outdated anyway.
 
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For a long-term system that requires less maintenance, what I would recommend is Hikvision cameras.

2032: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G7GMEOG
2132F: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00QTMBIHM
2332: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GYHEG0S
2432F: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JWCV9CU

The ones with F in the model number support microSD card recording which isn't necessary if you get them networked and connected to a PC or NVR.

There are of course multiple listings and multiple sellers for each of these. I never bought any Hikvision cameras from Amazon.com so I can't recommend any seller or listing over another.

You can power and link the cameras with any 802.3af PoE switch, such as this one: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003CFATT2

Anyway your dock is too far for a reliable wired network run (especially at short notice) so you would need a wireless bridging option. Ubiquiti makes great long range WiFi radios that aren't too expensive. You would need two of them to make a "wireless bridge" between your house and dock. There are two affordable choices for the radio frequency. 5 GHz is usually faster and has less interference from other wireless devices. But it can't really penetrate obstacles. 2.4 GHz radios must share the same frequency as most normal WiFi, wireless phones, cameras, baby monitors, etc, but the signal can penetrate trees slightly better. Either way for reliable performance you will need to mount the radios outside and with direct clear line of sight to each other.

5 GHz: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EHSV4W

2.4 GHz: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004EGI3CI

Both are very affordable, and outdoor rated. They come with their own PoE injectors which are NON-standard and do NOT work with Hikvision cameras. Use Ubiquiti PoE injectors only with Ubiquiti gear. And remember, you need two of them, both of the same frequency, to create a bridge. Technically you can get away with just one if you link it to a home router but that is doomed to have terrible performance. Here is a little guide on how to set up a network bridge with Ubiquiti radios: https://wiki.ubnt.com/How_to_bridge_internet_connections

Also note that none of the items I have linked come with network cables. You need to obtain those separately.

Plus of course you need Hikvision-compatible recording gear. An NVR is the simplest option, but I can't help you with that. Blue Iris is my preferred choice but that requires a powerful PC to run on. There is also Hikvision's free iVMS software which has lower CPU requirements than Blue iris.

You could get all of this delivered tomorrow but unless you are extremely tech savvy you are not going to get it set up in time for your event.
 
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avoid Hikvisions iVMS, as it is very unreliable. Spend the money on blue iris. its $60 one time and will save you a ton of frustration. Or if you don't have the PC to spare, a $99 eyesurv NVR from NellysSecurity.com might be a good solution as well.
 
I've decide that as bad as I'd like to have a system on order I'm gonna hit the brakes slow my roll, and stick with a go pro for the weekend. I really don't want to do two separate system, as I'd like to have one PC(I'll have to build it) controlling the whole thing.

I apologize if the post came across as frantic, but it was decided a security camera system would be in our best interest last night. Unfortunately it appears it takes more planning than expected with a steep learning curve.
 
Cameras with an NVR aren't as steep as you think they are, the PC adds a whole nother level of complexity.
 
Give those cheap cameras to your neighbor for revenge. Get yourself real cameras, Hikvision as bp2008 suggested. See places like Nellys.com to get started.
 
I still don't know if a NVR would suit my needs. Unfortunately in this context I have a large area I'd like to cover with a fairly large bank of cameras. I don't want a standalone system at the dock due to crazy neighbor attempting to damage or steal it. I'm open to suggestions but it seems like a nice PC build with software and IP cameras are going to be my best solution.

It'll connect everything to one point as well as give myself web access to the feeds. Every NVR system that connects to the web seems to destroy connectivity on a band. My router is a dual band AC though. My main question/concern will be the best way to go about connecting IP cameras at my dock as well as one on my garage covering the drive..
 
Stick with the solution that @bp2008 gave you and get a point to point radio from Ubiquiti for those long distance installations. You can always install a PoE switch in/at the dock to connect these cameras to and use the Ubiquiti for you connection back to the main house. These have a long reputation of being great systems for a very reasonable cost.

Good luck with this weekend and with the install.
 
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