How to set up P1468-LE with Blue Iris

[tuvow]

I have an existing Blue Iris installation with several Dahua 5442 cams, but I'm completely new to Axis cameras. I bought a P1468-LE because I wanted to play with a 8MP cam with 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately Dahua still isn't offering such a camera.

During the initial setup process within Blue Iris I switched "Make" from "Generic/ONVIF" to "Axis" and "Model" to "*M/P/Q series H.264". The video stream works great, but that's also the only thing that is working for me now.

My questions:

• What is the best way to set up motion detections like Dahua's IVS with filter for Human and Vehicle objects?
• How do I need to configure the cam/BI for BI to properly process any motion detections by the cam?
• Any recommendations on video stream settings? I currently still have it on default video settings, but I'm sure there are some best practices for Axis cams on improving video quality, night performance, etc

Thanks!

 

[wittaj]

Dahua has had 8MP on the 1/1.2" sensor for several years on a fixed lens bullet and turret and a PTZ. Unfortunately not on a varifocal.

Best practice in BI is to add camera and then type in IP address, username, password and hit find/inspect and let BI do its thing. It may show up as Axis or may be generic or something else. Rarely does that pull up the wrong protocol.

To bring motion detection from the camera into BI is the same regardless of manufacturer. In BI you tell it to get ONVIF triggers and then tell it to use external triggers.

The same principles to improve video quality would be the same regardless of camera - shutter speed is important as is not adjusting parameters to the extremes. Axis does have additional features other cams don't have that I am sure someone will add, but shutter speed and not having too high gain to minimize blur and ghosting.

 

[tuvow]

Dahua has had 8MP on the 1/1.2" sensor for several years on a fixed lens bullet and turret and a PTZ. Unfortunately not on a varifocal.

Yes, Dahua has 8MP with 1/1.2" sensor, but not with IR capability. I should have clarified that.

Best practice in BI is to add camera and then type in IP address, username, password and hit find/inspect and let BI do its thing. It may show up as Axis or may be generic or something else. Rarely does that pull up the wrong protocol.

This unfortunately isn't working. I also tried setting up an ONVIF user on the cam, but with those credentials it is not working either. This is why I went for the method as described in my original post.

To bring motion detection from the camera into BI is the same regardless of manufacturer. In BI you tell it to get ONVIF triggers and then tell it to use external triggers.

The issue is that I don't know how to get ONVIF working. And it is also not clear what the best way is to set up motion detection with this cam, since apparently you can install different "Apps" for the cam. There are a few apps that seem to be doing the same thing ("Video Motion Detection", "Smart Motion Detection" and "AXIS Object Analytics" for example). Looking for some guidance here.

 

[wittaj]

That is strange. Post screenshot of the pop-up window when you hit find/inspect as that usually gives us insight as to what the issue is.

I think axis object analytics would be their IVS equivalent.

Can't wait to see the infrared capabilities of this camera.

 

[tuvow]

This is the log when I use the "normal" (web UI) credentials for the cam:

Opening 192.168.20.107 port 80...
HTTP Get / request...
OK
ONVIF GetSystemDateAndTime
2024-11-28T21:57:21.000Z
Requesting device information...
GetCapabilities...
Bad response
Checking for common cameras...
Foscam FI86xx/98xx compatible?
Foscam FI89xx compatible?
Foscam FI9821 V2 compatible?
Foscam FI9821 media port compatible?
Cantonk port 34567?
RTSP port open?
No automatic configuration made
Done

And this is the log when I use the "onvif" credentials:

Opening 192.168.20.107 port 80...
HTTP Get / request...
Unauthorized, check user/password
Opening 192.168.20.107 port 8999...
ONVIF GetSystemDateAndTime
HTTP 12029
Checking for common cameras...
Foscam FI86xx/98xx compatible?
Foscam FI89xx compatible?
Foscam FI9821 V2 compatible?
Foscam FI9821 media port compatible?
Cantonk port 34567?
RTSP port open?
No automatic configuration made
Done

 

[tuvow]

OK, I figured it out... when I set ONVIF discovery port to 80 instead of 8999 it works.

So at least it's now properly setup with ONVIF. Unfortunately a "test alarm" triggered by AXIS Object Analytics still doesn't seem to trigger an ONVIF event within Blue Iris.

 

[wittaj]

Yep. I was going to ask what the port was.

 

[smiticans]

I have an existing Blue Iris installation with several Dahua 5442 cams, but I'm completely new to Axis cameras. I bought a P1468-LE because I wanted to play with a 8MP cam with 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately Dahua still isn't offering such a camera.

During the initial setup process within Blue Iris I switched "Make" from "Generic/ONVIF" to "Axis" and "Model" to "*M/P/Q series H.264". The video stream works great, but that's also the only thing that is working for me now.

My questions:

• What is the best way to set up motion detections like Dahua's IVS with filter for Human and Vehicle objects?
• How do I need to configure the cam/BI for BI to properly process any motion detections by the cam?
• Any recommendations on video stream settings? I currently still have it on default video settings, but I'm sure there are some best practices for Axis cams on improving video quality, night performance, etc

Thanks!

Which Axis OS version does your camera have? Axis OS 11 LTS (Long Term Support) is the latest LTS OS and Axis OS 12 is the latest Active Track OS. LTS only provides security updates where the active track provides security and feature updates. The most recent P1468-LE camera I received still had OS 10 LTS on it (OS 10 LTS is still supported). I would recommend updating to the latest LTS or Active Tack.

Axis Object Analytic (AOA) is similar to Dahua's IVS where it uses AI to detect person/vehicles. Axis Video Motion Detection is just regular motion detection. The Axis Video MD app can be used to trigger events so you can record to a SD card inside the camera or a NAS when motion is detected. Axis's VMS (Axis Camera Station Pro) also uses the Video Motion Detection app for recording. ACS Pro does not do server side motion detection and all of the motion detection is processed on the edge within the Axis camera.

There are other applications that can be installed on the camera such as License Plate Verifier, Axis Perimeter Defender etc. that are provided by Axis and you can also install 3rd party apps such as camstreamer or AiDANT for specific scenarios. These apps are are designed to run on the AXIS Camera Application Platform (ACAP).

For the most part, the camera can stay at its default settings except for a few settings. If you're going to run the camera in IR in complete darkness, I would set the max shutter to 1/60 and go from there. I run mine at 1/120 in full color at night but I have enough white light to do it. Also, if you're going to run IR, make sure the weather shield is fully retracted or you might get IR reflection on it. You may also want to change the scene profile under image- appearance from Forensic to Vivid (That's a personal preference). The only other settings I really change are to enable signed video, create overlays (date, time, location and bitrate) and I change the FPS to 15. I would leave the stream settings at compression set to 30, zipstream set to low, Optimize for storage, Dynamic FPS and Dynamic GOP all set to off. I would leave bitrate control set to variable and WDR on.

Under system- stream profiles you can create a lower resolution stream (sub stream) for BI. After you create the stream, you will have to find/inspect the camera in BI to pull from the sub stream.

This camera is not designed for long range so consider the range to be similar to a Dahua 5442 or Color 4K turret. I have mine zoomed in to 1.44 which is about 30% to 40% zoomed in. I don't recommend fully zooming it in as that will make the aperture smaller and reduce the low light sensitivity. Mounting height and location are just as important for Axis cameras as it is for Dahua cameras to get a good face ID image.

It looks like you already figured out how to create an ONVIF user for BI and import it into the system. Unfortunately, when I got my hands on my first Axis camera I was already in the processing of decommissioning my Blue Iris system. I briefly tested my Axis cameras on BI but I was unable to get the object analytics to work. If you're having a lot of trouble, I can spin up a demo version of BI and see If I can figure it out.

 

[tuvow]

Thanks @wittaj and @smiticans for your help! This morning I updated Blue Iris to the latest version and miraculously BI is now properly processing the OVIF events from the Axis camera. I'm running Axis OS 12.

Now that initial setup is completed, I'll just have to wait for my pole mount to arrive and I can start playing with AOA at the actual scene. I also can't wait to see the night performance with 8MP on a 1/1.2" sensor, I plan to run it with a fairly wide view to keep it light sensitive.

 

[smiticans]

Np! The low light sensitivity is pretty similar to the Color 4K-T but Axis has much better image processing where it can handle challenging lighting conditions (direct sunlight, half the image is in the shade and half has strong sunlight, floodlight is shining on a face etc.).

If you open the AOA app and go to settings, you can enable Metadata overlay and select which resolution you want it displayed on. You can also enable bounding boxes and trajectories so you can see what the camera is detecting in real time.

Here are two night videos of my P1468-LE with a 60w LED light





I know @wittaj wanted a video of the P1468-LE in IR mode at night which I can make when I have more free time later this week or next.

 

[wittaj]

Np! The low light sensitivity is pretty similar to the Color 4K-T but Axis has much better image processing where it can handle challenging lighting conditions (direct sunlight, half the image is in the shade and half has strong sunlight, floodlight is shining on a face etc.).

If you open the AOA app and go to settings, you can enable Metadata overlay and select which resolution you want it displayed on. You can also enable bounding boxes and trajectories so you can see what the camera is detecting in real time.

Here are two night videos of my P1468-LE with a 60w LED light





I know @wittaj wanted a video of the P1468-LE in IR mode at night which I can make when I have more free time later this week or next.

That's nice.

How much light do you have there?

 

[smiticans]

That's nice.

How much light do you have there?

I have one 60 watt rectangle LED dusk to dawn light for the driveway. The light is mounted a few feet behind the camera and a foot or two above it. I got it on Amazon a few years ago so I don't remember the specific specs of it. The front door has a single A21 style LED light bulb. It consumes about 20ish watts but is equivalent to a 120w incandescent bulb. The front door light doesn't project that much light onto the driveway but it does provide a little. In real life, the mailbox at the end of the driveway is pretty dark and you need a flashlight to see anything.