How to setup my cctv system?

[marmisteryo]

Hi, I would like some advice about the management of my system.
I'm Italian so excuse me for my bad English.
Currently I have an analog system. Between my home and my garage there is the home of a neighbor, so years ago i opted to put a camera on my house looking at the garage, to avoid creating an independent system in the garage that does not have a internet connection.
I invite you to look at the attached image to get an idea because I know that's a complex question.
As I am not satisfied with the quality of the analog cameras I'm also considering IP systems that have better quality .
Now I would like to put two cameras directly to the garage (yellow in the picture) and remove the one you see in red in the picture pointing to the garage, but i'm facing a dilemma and do not know which one to choose:
1. creating a new independent analogue system ino the garage
2. With two antennas bring internet connection to the garage and there creating an IP system controlled from home
3. Converting the analog system I have at home in IP, bring internet access to the garage through two antennas and connect the IP garage's cameras under a unique NVR situated in the home
4. move the analog cameras to the garage and creating a new IP system at home, where perhaps a higher quality is required in comparison to the garage.

I realize that the issue is a bit 'twisted, and that the options that I have described are very different, but I do not know what to choose. Also because I do not want to create a system of which I will not be satisfied in the future.
Thank you

 

[logbuilder]

A few questions....

How far is the garage from the house?
Would you be allowed to run a new ethernet cable from the house to the garage?
Do you have power in the garage? If so, is it on the same AC circuit as the house?
How and where are your current analog cameras getting 12v power?
What type of NVR are you using? Does it support IP cameras? POE?

 

[marmisteryo]

How far is the garage from the house?

6-7 meters

Would you be allowed to run a new ethernet cable from the house to the garage?

No i can't

Do you have power in the garage? If so, is it on the same AC circuit as the house?

Yes. No, it's different

How and where are your current analog cameras getting 12v power?

From the AC circuit of the house

What type of NVR are you using? Does it support IP cameras? POE?

I don't have an NVR, i actually have a DVR for my analogue cameras

A friend of mine suggested me to replace the actual DVR with an hybrid DVR so in this way i can keep the actual system and i can integrate it with IP on the garage...What do you think? This is the option n.5 that i forgot to mention in the open post

 

[logbuilder]

Well, your answers kind of blew some ideas I had.

Most of the more experienced on this forum have low regard for wifi connected cameras. That said, imho, wifi might be your easiest to implement. Hopefully you will get more advice from others that may have more sophisticated ideas. I realize I will get flamed for even suggesting wifi.

If it were me, looking for improvements with least cost and effort, I would swap out your analog cameras for wifi IP cameras. Use the 12v you currently have to power those. At the 6-7m distance, I suspect you can get a decent signal in your garage. You can check it by taking a laptop out there and see how much signal you get. If it is decent, then two more wifi IP cameras for the garage.

Now you have the problem of the DVR. Seems to me you are a fork in the road between analog and digital. I'd scrap analog and install a more modern NVR or use something like BI on an existing windows PC you have in your house.

 

[Kawboy12R]

A wifi bridge from the house to the garage would allow you to use your choice of good wired cams at the garage. Ubiquiti M5 Loco Nanostations in bridge mode plus a poe switch in the garage would allow you all kinds of cams in there. If you just want 1 cam in the garage add a 48v poe injector after the garage's Nano and no switch. Just remember that the Ubiquiti poe is 24v and only runs their gear, not cameras.

The budget solution is to just mount IP cams where your analog ones are pointing at the garage. Use nothing under a 6mm lens though.

 

[marmisteryo]

Just remember that the Ubiquiti poe is 24v and only runs their gear, not cameras.

What do you mean with this?

I was thinking: if i replace the actual DVR with an hybrid DVR, i can keep all the existing system plus i can add IP cameras on the garage. Otherwise, if i upgrade EVERYTHING to IP i have to change all cameras, all cables,....
While in this way i can keep the analogue cameras inside the house and on the house, plus i can install two IP on the garage. I draw it,look at the picture attached. tell me if it's possibile to do it. If it is, i think that't the easiest and cheaper solution. Thank you

 

[Kawboy12R]

If you go with a Ubiquiti bridge, they are powered by included proprietary 24v POE injectors. Nothing wrong with this but just about everything else runs on 48v POE. Don't assume you can skip their injector and run it off a normal poe switch port.

My personal preference is IP, particularly with the ease it can be integrated into a home network for use by computers but there are hybrid and tribrid dvrs that can use analog, ip, and one of the hi def analog solutions as well. Imho though, with the low price of ip and hidef analog cams there's no reason to keep any homeowner grade wide angle analog cams around except for possibly absolutely mission critical duties like watching mousetraps and you don't want to blow $40 for a 2mp IP critter cam.

 

[Kawboy12R]

And yes, your drawing would work fine for adding ip cams to your garage. If you don't want to totally redo your current system all at once, consider a tribrid dvr that'll allow you to slowly swap out your current analog cams with one of the formats that use your existing coax cables for one of the hidef non-IP formats.

It isn't that hard though to tape ethernet cable to the coax and just pull it and easily replace it with network cable and go IP quite quickly and easily. The hardest part really is learning how to crimp on RJ45 plugs to bulk cable. It's easy once you practice a bit. Some bulk cable, a bag of connectors, a good crimping tool, and a cable tester and you're all set. Just watch a YouTube how to video a few times and you're set.

If you're considering an NVR, get a Dahua so you can add cams from their excellent Starlight line that're coming out now.

Also, tell your vendor that you want to run two ip cams from a switch in your garage to make sure that the nvr can understand that easily. I don't run standalone NVRs and there might be additional complications adding a switch to one particularly with built-in poe. Some assume one camera per port in the back of the nvr. Separate POE is generally considered a better solution.

 

[bigredfish]

What do you mean with this?

I was thinking: if i replace the actual DVR with an hybrid DVR, i can keep all the existing system plus i can add IP cameras on the garage. Otherwise, if i upgrade EVERYTHING to IP i have to change all cameras, all cables,....
While in this way i can keep the analogue cameras inside the house and on the house, plus i can install two IP on the garage. I draw it,look at the picture attached. tell me if it's possibile to do it. If it is, i think that't the easiest and cheaper solution. Thank you

I'm not an IP camera expert, but I do know a little bit about analog and analog HD.

Yes, you can. I have the exact setup you are talking about. I have a Dahua Tribrid DVR that can run Analog, HD-CVI, and IP cameras.
HCVR7204/08/16A-S3
This unit comes in 4/6/8 camera models with each having additional channels for adding IP cameras. I have the 8 channel which allows me to run my existing 8 HD-CVI 2MP cams and up to 4 IP cameras up to 5MP

I ran Cat5 cable to all of my original analog cams, and simply used that same cable for HD-CVI cams I currently run, and can also attach IP cams when I'm ready.

The latest 2MP HD-CVI cameras will likely work with you existing cable and perform VERY close to 2MP IP cameras. Very. close.
And still a bit cheaper than IP cameras. Here are some of the cameras I have running
DH-HAC-HFW22A1RN-Z
DH-HAC-HFW32A1EN-Z

I plan on adding a couple of IP cameras soon using a separate POE switch:
IPC-HDW5231R-Z
SD59230U-HNI