Interesting Mobotix Dual lens cams

[Firefighter]

I'm on vacation and of course I've been eying the cctv. Their primary exterior appears to be Mobotix dual lens cameras.
It kind of looks some are different so they may have specific lenses per install location.
On the exterior they have 4 general exterior looking back at the hotel. It's pretty interesting. Haven't seen a hotel with this many on the beach looking back at and up the hotel. Thermal would be good to see anything falling.

They also have motion pir and two way audio.

I entered the closed lobby tonight and they have one setup to announce "The lobby is currently closed, please leave this area"


Anyway here's some pictures. I can get more tomorrow. Just glad they aren't a store bought system. Lol

 

[Mark_M]

It kind of looks some are different so they may have specific lenses per install location.

Yup.

Most common use is one camera being black/white and the other being color.
Mobotix had a vision for no moving parts. Literally another camera so there isn't a moving IR filter.

 

[ipcamuser11]

https://www.mobotix.com/sites/default/files/2021-12/Mx_TS_M16A_20211202_EN.pdf

It has two 1/1.8" 6MP sensors, I guess it should be Sony IMX178, only H264 supported, SoC may be too old to support H265

I don't see the meaning of using two sensors filming the same filed, only difference is color and black/white, they can use the 2nd sensor to bring larger angle

 

[Mark_M]

https://www.mobotix.com/sites/default/files/2021-12/Mx_TS_M16A_20211202_EN.pdf

It has two 1/1.8" 6MP sensors, I guess it should be Sony IMX178, only H264 supported, SoC may be too old to support H265

Mobotix have had the same style for years.
They don't all have the same imaging sensors.

I don't see the meaning of using two sensors filming the same filed, only difference is color and black/white, they can use the 2nd sensor to bring larger angle

In a single lens/sensor camera there is an IR filter. It moves in/out when it gets dark.
The purpose of the IR filter is so that the sensor can then pick up IR light (for the IR LEDs).
But if the filter stayed in place all the time, daytime color would look purple.

There is a purpose to two lenses.

 

[ipcamuser11]

The purpose of the IR filter is so that the sensor can then pick up IR light (for the IR LEDs).

I know the purpose of IR-CUT, but don't understand the purpose of two same sensors toward to same field

 

[Mark_M]

Mobotix had a vision for no moving parts. Literally another camera so there isn't a moving IR filter.

I know the purpose of IR-CUT, but don't understand the purpose of two same sensors toward to same field

huhhhh.
I thought I already mentioned Mobotix designed for no moving parts.... that includes an IR filter moving.
A camera sensor cannot see proper colors with an IR filter and it cannot see IR light without it.

as I said earlier... one camera captures color (doesn't have an IR filter) and one captures black/white at night with an IR filter.

 

[ipcamuser11]

I thought I already mentioned Mobotix designed for no moving parts.... that includes an IR filter moving.
A camera sensor cannot see proper colors with an IR filter and it cannot see IR light without it.

The 'moving parts' you mentioned is IR-CUT, right? it costs less than 1 dollar to add that part between the sensor and lens and can move the IR filter automatically according to the light level. But another 1/1.8" 6MP cmos and a SoC that can process two sensors at the same time are much much more expensive, even move expensive than two independent cameras with same sensor. Adding another BW sensor just because the IR-filter is fixed before the 1st sensor? I can't understand that, adding an automatic IR-CUT is the normal way that normal people will choose

 

[Mark_M]

The 'moving parts' you mentioned is IR-CUT, right? it costs less than 1 dollar to add that part between the sensor and lens and can move the IR filter automatically according to the light level. But another 1/1.8" 6MP cmos and a SoC that can process two sensors at the same time are much much more expensive, even move expensive than two independent cameras with same sensor. Adding another BW sensor just because the IR-filter is fixed before the 1st sensor?

I can't understand that, adding an automatic IR-CUT is the normal way that normal people will choose

Mobotix isn't cheap to begin with.
Purpose of no moving parts is so that it can withstand extreme cold conditions. Even that small moving IR-cut filter.

I can understand it.... They are specialist cameras. Not normal cameras.

 

[ipcamuser11]

Purpose of no moving parts is so that it can withstand extreme cold conditions. Even that small moving IR-cut filter.

they can use a heater and turn it on automatically when temperature is too low, all the professional cameras I've seen have a heater along with a fan outside the main camera module.

 

[Mark_M]

they can use a heater and turn it on automatically when temperature is too low, all the professional cameras I've seen have a heater along with a fan outside the main camera module.

A fan would defeat the purpose of no moving parts....

Complain to Mobotix rather than ranting here if you don't understand.

 

[ipcamuser11]

I guess you are the one who is ranting? Be more friendly

 

[Mark_M]

I guess you are the one who is ranting? Be more friendly

I could understand your disbelief as to implementing a second camera.
Although further comments from you seem delusional when I have already said the purpose and that these are specialist cameras.

Accept the fact and move on. I can't change anything about how Mobotix designs/manufactures them.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

I recall reading at one point their cameras are java based.

Although I believe it has been quite a while since reading it.

 

[Mark_M]

I recall reading at one point their cameras are java based.

Although I believe it has been quite a while since reading it.

Tell me about it.

I've got some Bosch devices from before 2010 that need Java for PTZ control.
Microsoft has made it incredibly difficult to get it working now.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

The next one quickly approaching is the phasing out of Internet Exploder. Not citing M$ so much as the hardware manufacturers who are seemingly not as quick to update their management GUI's, etc.