IPC-T58IR-ZE S3 Settings?

mike2246

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Got this camera to test focal length in a few spots? how do I change it from 2.7-12?

Does this camera auto-follow motion/people?

What is AI SSA?
What is LDC?
What is EIS under Image?

What is IVS?

is there a guide for setting up smart detection on the camera and then passing it to BI?

Or a generic guide for these Empire cam's recommended settings etc?
 
From the live view bottom left (+ zoom in and - zooms out):
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No this camera does not auto-follow - it is not an autotracking PTZ. It is a varifocal set it and forget it. Some models have ePTZ, but that is a digital zoom and follow and can be done after the fact - most here leave that feature turned off.

Those 3 are things you don't want to mess with if you are using BI.

AI SSA will adjust shutter and FPS and other parameters even though you manually set them. It is used to increase those when person or vehicle is detected. Keep it off

LDC is Lens Distortion Correction - that is a digital zooming in to take some of the curvature off - it will impact the ability to detect motion reliably. Keep it off.

EIS is Electronic Image Stabilization - do not use it as you camera should be secured to the wall well enough that it isn't bouncing around. Using it will blur things.


IVS stands for Intelligent Video Surveillance. Most find it far superior than Motion Detection and Smart Motion Detection.

If you use IVS, make sure to turn off Motion Detection and Smart Motion Detection.

I repeat turn off Motion Detection and Smart Motion Detection.


TO USE IVS WITH B
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Go into the camera GUI and set up smart plan with IVS, then go to the IVS screen and draw IVS rules (tripwire or intrusion box) and then select the AI you want it to trigger on (human or vehicle).

Make sure MD and SMD are turned off in the camera.

Then in BI, there are a few places you need to set this up in BI (assuming you already set up the IVS rules in the camera GUI):

In Camera configure setting check the box "Get ONVIF triggers".

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Hit Find/Inspect on the camera setting to pull the coding for the triggers.

Go into Motion Setting and select the "Cameras digital input" box OR "ONVIF/CAMERA EVENTS" based on which BI version you have. Turn off BI Motion Detection if you don't want to use it:

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On the Alerts tab uncheck the Motions Zones tab (those are alerting you to any BI motion in those areas in Zones A thru H) and select ONVIF and External check boxes.

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On the "On alert..." actions, select how you want to be alerted (email, push, SMS, etc.)




DIAL IN THE CAMERA TO YOUR FIELD OF VIEW

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 
Amazing, thank you!
When zooming does it tell me focal length so I knownfor reference when ordering more

No it does not, and unfortunately the focal lengths are not "standard" across manufacturers, or even the same model.

For example, looking at the 5442 6mm fixed lens and setting up the 5442-ZE to the equivalent 6mm and you will find the field of view is different for both. The 5442-ZE had to be set to a 9mm equivalent to get the same field of view as the 5442 6mm fixed lens as pointed out in this thread.
 
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is there a thread you can point me to for the IVS setup to see what others do as a start? Also, what cameras offer Face Detection and Smart Object Detection
 
There isn't a thread per say, but the main options used are Intrusion box and Tripwires.

Try each one and see which works best for your field of view. For some a simple square intrusion box works, for others drawing a tripwire in a zigzag works best.

Leave all the other settings like min object size at default.

Face Detection isn't facial recognition - it looks for a shape of a face and detects on that - using IVS with human detection is far superior.

Same with Smart Object Detection - just use IVS and check the boxes you want for human or vehicle (or animal if your camera has that).
 
yep, I've been studying that one. Got the camera I did to test focal lengths for my other cameras but guess that isn't happening accurately now lol seeings how when I zoom it doesn't tell me focal length nor do they match up when buying fixed.
 
yep, I've been studying that one. Got the camera I did to test focal lengths for my other cameras but guess that isn't happening accurately now lol seeings how when I zoom it doesn't tell me focal length nor do they match up when buying fixed.

In CCTV world focal length are only informative approximation given to classify lens use..
they are NOT real focal lengths, more like recalculated focal length to one UNIFORM sensor size...

If You want compare 2 cameras or 2 camera lens variants, the MAIN way to compare them is using horizontal Field of View from specification..

Usually 2.8mm fixed lens cams have FoV at 110-115 degree horizontal, 3.6mm have FoV around 90 degree horizontal.

Also ranges in varifocal lenses are totally not REAL (more faked one).
For example Dahua 5442-ZE is 2.8-12mm - so it should have 4.28x zoom range.
But if You look at specification - FoV is 113-47 degree horizontal - so real zoom range is only 2.4x..

If you want choose camera models to Your needs You must always watch at horizontal FoV and DORI distances from specification.
don't look at focal length - because it's only informative approximation.
 
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