money not a problem - panoramic cameras

[misfiresam]

Greetings,
Upon checking the forum up and down I noticed nobody really put the IPC-PFW83242-A180-S2 to test. I'm trying to build a new system for my house using empiretech AI NVR and was really curious if anyone compared performances between the IPC-PFW83242-A180-S2, IPC-Color4K-B180 and the IPC-Color4K-T180 (wish they made an IR dual lens). If budget is not a problem, is spending $500 extra and going with the IPC-PFW83242-A180-S2 over the other 2 worth it? It's worth mentioning that I will pair up a PTZ with the panoramic but i'd still like maximum quality overview of the events the PTZ might be too busy to cover

 

[flynreelow]

would be nice if it had the 4 1/1.2 sensors.

 

[wittaj]

All of these are for overview, and you will not get an appreciable improvement at the distances it is viewing.

Personally I wouldn't go with the IPC-PFW83242-A180-S2 as it is an extra expense over the T180 without any real gain.

The B180 and T180 are the same thing just one in bullet form and the other in turret form.

Keep in mind that the pano PTZ struggles a lot at night. And we mean a lot. They are not on ideal MP/sensor ratios. Someone here just bought one and plans to replace it with fixed cams and a PTZ.

Your system will fall short if you rely only on pano cameras and a PTZ.

Pano's are great overview and poor identify. Especially if they are mounted high - all the IDENTIFY distance is lost in the vertical.

You should still have some varifocals optically zoomed in to pinch points.


One camera cannot be the be all/see all. The camera to IDENTIFY at 15 feet is a different camera than one to IDENTIFY at 70 feet.

Keep in mind that PTZs with auto tracking are a compliment to an existing fixed camera system and not replacements for fixed cameras.

So with only PTZs and no additional fixed cameras for IDENTIFY - what happens when 2 or more people come up to your house - the PTZ is only catching and tracking one of them, not all of them.

PTZs are not perfect and can lose tracking. Then you miss the person.

What happens when the PTZ is looking left and a perp comes from the right?

That is why PTZs are not a replacement for fixed cameras - they are a compliment to an existing system.

If you rely on a PTZ only it will miss many instances, especially when it is off tracking something else.

You are much better off using fixed cams as spotter cams to point the PTZ to where the action is and then let the autotracking take over from there.

See this thread on how a PTZ compliments a fixed camera system.

 

[observant1]

When i got an 8 port nvr i thought that woud do fine. Wish I'd gotten a 16 port. And PTZ are great...until nightfall. They sometimes lose track usually due to pixil to sensor size unless you have a very well lit parking lot. Once my stock quadruples i may get a 16 port nvr.

 

[Mark_M]

A standard panoramic camera not got enough detail for you? Hahaha...... I hear a 2nd mortgage being taken out.
How about the runway system, aka two Dallmeier Panomera cameras.








Or maybe just a Hubble camera. The PTZ can do the detailed view .

 

[misfiresam]

All of these are for overview, and you will not get an appreciable improvement at the distances it is viewing.

Personally I wouldn't go with the IPC-PFW83242-A180-S2 as it is an extra expense over the T180 without any real gain.

The B180 and T180 are the same thing just one in bullet form and the other in turret form.

Keep in mind that the pano PTZ struggles a lot at night. And we mean a lot. They are not on ideal MP/sensor ratios. Someone here just bought one and plans to replace it with fixed cams and a PTZ.

Your system will fall short if you rely only on pano cameras and a PTZ.

Pano's are great overview and poor identify. Especially if they are mounted high - all the IDENTIFY distance is lost in the vertical.

You should still have some varifocals optically zoomed in to pinch points.


One camera cannot be the be all/see all. The camera to IDENTIFY at 15 feet is a different camera than one to IDENTIFY at 70 feet.

Keep in mind that PTZs with auto tracking are a compliment to an existing fixed camera system and not replacements for fixed cameras.

So with only PTZs and no additional fixed cameras for IDENTIFY - what happens when 2 or more people come up to your house - the PTZ is only catching and tracking one of them, not all of them.

PTZs are not perfect and can lose tracking. Then you miss the person.

What happens when the PTZ is looking left and a perp comes from the right?

That is why PTZs are not a replacement for fixed cameras - they are a compliment to an existing system.

If you rely on a PTZ only it will miss many instances, especially when it is off tracking something else.

You are much better off using fixed cams as spotter cams to point the PTZ to where the action is and then let the autotracking take over from there.

See this thread on how a PTZ compliments a fixed camera system.

A standard panoramic camera not got enough detail for you? Hahaha...... I hear a 2nd mortgage being taken out.
How about the runway system, aka two Dallmeier Panomera cameras.


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Or maybe just a Hubble camera. The PTZ can do the detailed view .

this might just be enough
seriously though I know i shouldnt be chasing mp and instead go for pinch points and mp/sensor ratio but damn 32mp panoramic would be nice with a ptz and some t54ir zes wouldn’t it be

 

[observant1]

I'll be gld one day you can purchase a 2000.00 cam that will work on any system. I like super great cameras.
I remember a poster that showed a night vision camera. It was super great. Also cost around 3 thousand dollars.

It's why some of us want laeger sensors as apposed to more AI SOC shit.....but it may just be me. I have to figure my cost on everything I purchase.

 

[Mark_M]

seriously though I know i shouldnt be chasing mp and instead go for pinch points and mp/sensor ratio but damn 32mp panoramic would be nice with a ptz and some t54ir zes wouldn’t it be

There's 180 panoramic cameras with a built in PTZ. Part of the Multi-view, or there's a version with 4 cameras to make the 180 panoramic in the Hubble series (Hubble also includes 360).

This is a nice budget one from EmpireTech:

EmpireTech PTZ4E25X-T180 8MP+4MP 25x Starlight TiOC Network Panoramic

Panorama: Outputs 180° wide angle splicing image Detail: 1/2.8"4Megapixel STARVIS™ CMOS 25x optical zoom IR distance up to 100 m Auto tracking 3.0 Smart tracking Perimeter protection Active deterrence Smart dual light +

empiretech01.com

 

[jvrobert]

Man I so want one of those panoramic PTZs, but the sensors just not there. I want the same sensor in my 4kx for the pano, and a decent 4Mp 1/1.8 or better, 10x or 25x PTZ.