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Hopefully, I am posting this in the correct section. If not, tell me and I am happy to relocate the post.

I am helping a friend pick out a cellular-based security/surveillance network consisting of ideally 8 cameras in total, but we may have to start with 2 and build from there. All of the devices would be AC powered w/ standard day and night vision and the data would be stored on an SD card and then sent to the cloud. There is one camera that is about 50 feet from the entrance and we would like that to be the highest resolution/quality camera w/ zoom. If it could pickup license plate numbers that would be ideal. If not, no problem.

The budget is flexible but the initial target is under $5k unless there is something amazing for more $$$ that we should consider.
There is no wifi at this location!

Can you suggest a US-based reliable system/brand? Is it compatible with Verizon. We are in NC mountains and Verizon seems to be the best provider up here.
What cloud service do you suggest to go with this setup?

My experience is with a EUFY camera system and wifi so I am not proficient (Think blind leading the blind). He is not looking to hire a programmer or specialist. More of an off-the-shelf plug & play concept with a good app.
Eufy/Ring equivalent but that operates using Cellular service, multiple cameras and a good app.

I have attached pictures of the rural setup so you can get an idea of the space.

Please let me know if you need any additional information.

Thanks in advance

 

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The first thing to do is read the material in the WiKi, in the blue bar at the top of the page. It may seem like reading "War and Peace" but it is well worth your time. Read it on a real computer, not a tablet or phone.

You'll find almost, literally, everyone here does not view cloud based systems as secure or reliable. Also consider just how much data can be sent by video surveillance cameras. Even "unlimited data plans" have limits and will throttle to limit data.

You'll also find that most, if not all, here do not view Eufy /Ring/Wyse or any of the low end consumer level cameras or camera systems to be effective for real video surveillance. None of them work well at night. My suggestion is to stick with Dahua or Hikvision cameras. Record them locally, 24/7, on either an NVR or a PC based VMS like Blue Iris. Either of those can be accessed from anywhere in the world but, with cellular, you're stuck behind a CGNAT situation, no real IP address. There are easy workarounds for that using a product like ZeroTier.

You also need to determine exactly where to place each camera and the focal length of the lens for each, specific location. That can be easily done by buying a decent varifocal camera, setting it up in a test rig and using the web GUI of the camera to adjust the focal length and see how each proposed location will work out. Remember, cameras mounted higher than about 7-1/2 feet will not provide good identification shots.

Don't chase megapixels. Chase the sensor size and there is a right resolution for each size of sensor to get the best performance from a camera. 8MP on a 1/2.8" sensor will be basically blind at night, too many pixels getting too little light, versus a 2MP on that same sensor which will get roughly four times the amount of light on each pixel.

Do not get mesmerized by "I have four cameras and I can see everything on every side of the house". While that is probably a true statement you won't be able to see who did what which kind of makes them useless.

The three basic rules of video surveillance cameras-

Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

Disclaimer - These sizes are what the manufacturers advertise and may, or may not, be the true size of the sensor in the camera.
720P - 1/3" = .333"
2MP - 1/2.8" = .357" (think a .38 caliber bullet)
4MP - 1/1.8" = .555" (bigger than a .50 caliber bullet or ball)
8MP - 1/1.2" = .833" (bigger than a 20mm chain gun round)

Focal length, lens size, is another critical element in camera selection. A 2.8mm lens will produce a nice wide view but will be useless for identification at distances greater than abut 10 or 15 feet.

Compiled by wittaj

Don't believe all the marketing hype no matter who makes the camera. Don't believe those nice night time captures they all use. Look for videos, with motion, to determine low light performance. Any camera can be made to "see" color at night if the exposure time is long enough, as in half a second or longer. Rule of thumb, the shutter speed needs to be at 1/60 or higher to get night video without blurring.

Read the reviews here, most include both still shots and video.

Avoid Reolink, Foscam, SV3C, Nest, and all the other consumer grade cameras. They all struggle mightily at night and never get anything useful on video. Here's a link to a whole thread debunking Reolink in particular.

Compiled by mat200 -

A collection of various consumer grade failures -

Avoid WiFi cameras, even doorbell cameras. WiFi is not designed for the constant, 24/7, load of video that a surveillance camera produces. At best, with two cameras on WiFi, they will still experience dropouts multiple times daily. Murphy's Law says that will happen at the worst possible moment.

Lens size, focal length, is another critical factor. Many people like the wide, sweeping, views of a 2.8mm lens but be aware that identification is problematic with a lens that wide. Keep in mind that it may take two cameras, or more, to provide the coverage you need or desire. Another factor that effects view angles is the sensor size. Typically larger sensors will have a larger field of view in any given lens size.

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget. The 3241T-ZAS has similar spcs as the 2231 and has audio. There are also cameras available from the IPCT Store right here on the forum and from Nelly's Security who has a thread in the vendors section.

Again, courtesy of Wittaj -

The 5442 series of cameras by Dahua is the current "king of the hill". They are 4MP and capable of color with some ambient light at night. The 2231 series is a less expensive alternative in 2MP and does not have audio capabilities, no built in microphone, but is easier on the budget. The 3241T-ZAS has similar spcs as the 2231 and has audio. There are also cameras available from the IPCT Store right here on the forum and from Nelly's Security who has a thread in the vendors section.

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