Viewing on a monitor, and no NVR

[rolibr24]

I am looking at installing 4 camera's in a building to watch equipment. I am not looking for a app to view on, we would need to have the cameras streamed directly to a monitor.

I can bring internet to the back of this barn, but the nearest internet access point is 700' away. Will I be able to plug a router in and dedicate that solely to the cameras? What kind of monitor will I need for viewing, and is it possible to have all 4 camera's on the same monitor, or will I need a monitor for each camera in a application like this?

 

[wittaj]

If you are asking about a wifi router for 700 feet away, the answer is no. You would need to either run cable or use an ubiquity nanostation to reach that far.

For an IP camera, you would probably want an app or NVR to bring the cameras to and then send to a monitor.

If the monitor is a smart monitor with a web browser on it, you could pull up each camera via a web browser by typing in the IP address of the camera and logging in that way.

 

[NightLife]

I am looking at installing 4 camera's in a building to watch equipment. I am not looking for a app to view on, we would need to have the cameras streamed directly to a monitor.

I can bring internet to the back of this barn, but the nearest internet access point is 700' away. Will I be able to plug a router in and dedicate that solely to the cameras? What kind of monitor will I need for viewing, and is it possible to have all 4 camera's on the same monitor, or will I need a monitor for each camera in a application like this?

Sometimes I find it useful, as an exercise, to look at things in such a way that it sweeps aside perceived barriers. Right now, it 'sounds' to me as if there are a few of you making these decision/plans and for whatever reason you're paring everything down to the absolute bare essentials.

What about this - ask yourself how you'd solve this IF the barn of equipment were 20 feet away, and you had gobs of power outlets, a strong internet signal and so on. Now picture yourself, or the others sitting down wherever they may be, whomever they may be and being able to monitor the equipment. And here's the wrinkle - one of you sits down and logs into a camera and sees $100K in equipment gone. Now what? No NVR, no NAS, no Blue Iris, so no recordings of the crime taking place.

Why monitor or have the intention of monitoring valuables, if realistically you will be fast asleep when it goes down?

I'd step back and break the challenges down. It's all easily within grasp, and these guys can help you sort through it, but you should begin by breaking down any barriers and asking yourself what solution looks best. Maybe not the ultimate solution, but one which is highly functional for every user involved. If the internet access is the biggest barrier, then solve that challenge first. Once you do that then look at involving hardware to record, and a means for all of you to log in randomly to check on any activity. The software used in those solutions will already break up your screen so that all 4 cameras are visible at once, or whatever permutation of views you'd like. But then you can all go back through a timeline to forensically audit any crimes which take place, rather than standing in the barn with a lump of regret in your throat.

I am damned new to this, and have an incredibly humble setup but my wife on her android tablet and myself on my Macbook can easily log into my modest NAS to view the feed(s) live, or to check out the nights recordings etc etc. We can also just cast the feed screen to our smart TV's if we want to have it on in the room while we do other things.

I say, research, ask a ton of Q's and swing for the fences. It will be worth it in the end.

 

[iwanttosee]

What kind of camera are you installing?

 

[rolibr24]

What kind of camera are you installing?

I was thinking IP cameras.

 

[rolibr24]

Sometimes I find it useful, as an exercise, to look at things in such a way that it sweeps aside perceived barriers. Right now, it 'sounds' to me as if there are a few of you making these decision/plans and for whatever reason you're paring everything down to the absolute bare essentials.

What about this - ask yourself how you'd solve this IF the barn of equipment were 20 feet away, and you had gobs of power outlets, a strong internet signal and so on. Now picture yourself, or the others sitting down wherever they may be, whomever they may be and being able to monitor the equipment. And here's the wrinkle - one of you sits down and logs into a camera and sees $100K in equipment gone. Now what? No NVR, no NAS, no Blue Iris, so no recordings of the crime taking place.

Why monitor or have the intention of monitoring valuables, if realistically you will be fast asleep when it goes down?

I'd step back and break the challenges down. It's all easily within grasp, and these guys can help you sort through it, but you should begin by breaking down any barriers and asking yourself what solution looks best. Maybe not the ultimate solution, but one which is highly functional for every user involved. If the internet access is the biggest barrier, then solve that challenge first. Once you do that then look at involving hardware to record, and a means for all of you to log in randomly to check on any activity. The software used in those solutions will already break up your screen so that all 4 cameras are visible at once, or whatever permutation of views you'd like. But then you can all go back through a timeline to forensically audit any crimes which take place, rather than standing in the barn with a lump of regret in your throat.

I am damned new to this, and have an incredibly humble setup but my wife on her android tablet and myself on my Macbook can easily log into my modest NAS to view the feed(s) live, or to check out the nights recordings etc etc. We can also just cast the feed screen to our smart TV's if we want to have it on in the room while we do other things.

I say, research, ask a ton of Q's and swing for the fences. It will be worth it in the end.

This situation is to watch some conveyors in another barn. Where we want the monitor is at the controls.
We are just looking to watch the conveyors while they are running making sure everything is working properly and the flow is correct.

 

[sebastiantombs]

Be aware that IP cameras have a built-in lag in the video of a second or so. That may be critical in this kind of application. CVI, composite video, cameras may be a better choice.

 

[Flintstone61]

You could throw up a PoE switch in the barn connect the 4 cams, and on 1 port you connect a Ubiquiti Loco Nano 2.4GHZ or 5GHZ point to point wireless connection that streams the data to your monitor.
I have one. works well. about 400 feet at my location.

 

[NightLife]

This situation is to watch some conveyors in another barn. Where we want the monitor is at the controls.
We are just looking to watch the conveyors while they are running making sure everything is working properly and the flow is correct.

Thanks for helping flesh out a few more details of your application.


I'd say all you need is an 'intern' ... that way he could sit there, monitoring and stop the conveyor immediately if there is a problem. Other duties in the barn might include whatever else needs doing, with an eye out for the conveyor as a priority. May be cheap insurance.

 

[Flintstone61]

Amazon.com

Amazon.com

 

[iwanttosee]

I was thinking IP cameras.

Some IP cameras is app only and require internet access.
Some IP cameras you can use an browser to look at the footage and might not need internet access.

 

[Flintstone61]

A POE recorder would also be an option in the barn rather than just a switch. that way you can see all 4 cams on one screen, when you Login thru the WAN interface of the recorder.
Your " Monitor" might need a PC to log in the web browser and view the 4 cams thru the recorder. Plus it would record if there was an "incident" .

 

[oh6hfx]

I should also install NVR in the control room and plug that in a display. Then, as linked earlier, either Ubiquiti 2.4GHz or 5GHz Locos as point-to-point wireless bridge between buildings. If there is line-of-sight between buildings,
then I should go with 5GHz, which has less interference and better bandwidth. Then as Flintstone61 wrote, a poe switch in the barn with 4 poe ports and one data port which is connected to Ubiquiti wireless bridge.

Dahua NVR4104 is simple and inexpensive NVR, Dahua IPC-HFW2231S-S-S2 is good basic bullet camera and Dahua DH-PFS3006-4GT-60 good switch for this use.

With NVR you will save the hassle to think how to get the video from cameras on the screen (probably would need a PC) plus you get recording.

 

[sebastiantombs]

I don't know, TinyCam will display four cameras at the same time with no problems. He's not looking to archive video. I'd still lean toward CVI cameras though to get real time video.

 

[eggsan]

Besides the cameras as an extra eyes at the conveyor, why not add sensors for remotely alerting (siren, flashing lights) for any abnormal situation (changing belt rpm, stuck, etc.)?