Mini-Review of the PTZ4M-25X-PV and compared to other PTZs

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@jmcu put together a really good video on the PTZ4M-25X-PV, which is the replacement to the popular 49425 model.

I have been playing with one and @EMPIRETECANDY asked me to share my thoughts and do some comparison images of my other PTZs, so I won't replicate the stuff in the video.

Even though this camera is on the less than ideal MP/sensor ratio, the updated chipset and improved IR make it an improvement over the 49425.

The IR is a more focused, tighter beam of light than the previous PTZs. We started to see that with the miniPTZ, but this takes it to a new level. It can be offsetting to some because on wide zoom you will have a white hotspot in the middle of the image, but it improves the distance capabilities tremendously. It is doubling the distance range I have with the 49425.

The hotter IR does cause some issues at close range and washout, so that is something to keep in mind, but most of us have close range covered with fixed cameras.

Sadly, the white light LED does nothing except up close.

The speaker is a nice addition, but it isn't very loud. The 4K/X speaker is much louder, as is the T180.

The red/blue light is still kinda gimmicky, but some people like the visual deterrence.

It is the best autotracking of my PTZs.

Since people seemed to like the Halloween mask my neighbor tricked me with on a prior review, and with that Holiday in a couple weeks based on stores LOL, Here are some examples.

The first one is the ever popular 49225 PTZ that is 2MP on the 1/2.8" sensor:


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Since I have so many PTZs LOL, I have forced this one in color. Gain is high and has some noise, but it helps with color at some distance. But because I force it in color, it has the shortest distance range of my PTZs.


Next up is the brother to the 49225, which is the 49425, which is 4MP on the same 1/2.8" sensor:

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I cannot run this one in color as the double the MP just make the image too dark or blurry to slow the shutter down to make it brighter.


Next is the miniPTZ:

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This PTZ took me the longest to dial in, but like most, the focus is a tad soft on it, even with a standing still object.


Next is the PTZ4M-25X-PV

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You can see how much brighter it is. You can see more details as well.

I still have to dial in this PTZ for target ratio and optimize the other settings, but it is pretty close.

I will update this with some video as I spend more time dialing it in.

TL/DR - the PTZ4M-25X-PV is an improvement over the prior favorite 49425. While I would love it in a 2MP, the improved IR allows you to get by with the 4MP. It is the new best sub $450 PTZ, and the speaker and TIOC features adds value for those wanting it. You can always turn it off if you don't want the TIOC features. Between this PTZ and the miniPTZ, I would opt for this one in every instance where form factor isn't an issue.
 
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Thanks for @wittaj share for this camera, this ptz we sold around 100pcs, but mainly to installers,the feedback is bit good. So we hope more home users can select this one too.
 
It is my new favorite PTZ.

I was hesitant at first as the first go around of TIOC cameras were kinda gimmicky and suffered from image quality that we are all used to.

But I have seen them slowly building up the quality of the TIOC cameras and this one is a good one.

It is clear they spent some time dialing in the firmware for this MP/sensor ratio.

Coupled with the better IR and a more focused narrow beam of light, it would be difficult to tell it is on what we would consider a less than ideal MP/sensor ratio.

With the 49425 I have the IR at 100 and it starts to struggle at 60 feet with a darker image.

This was when I tested this PTZ in complete black conditions with all the outside lights and other cameras IR off and just this camera IR set at 80 far/20 near at a distance of 60 feet:

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You can see how hot the IR is set at 80 far, 20 near and a shutter of 16ms. Once dialed in, it will benefit from more MP.

So this camera will allow you to run faster shutters and we know faster shutters equals better freeze frame captures.

I didn't spend any time dialing in at this setup as it isn't how I would run it, but it shows how capable it is in an area with no streetlights or other light sources.


For the homeowner, I think the advantage of this camera is the all white body compared to the 49225.

This one can probably blend in more with homes:

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Than the half white/half black 49225 series:

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That is bright for that distance. Should be able to speed things up to tone that down a lot and still get a good moving image I'd think.
 
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This camera is using Taurus firmware - so all image quality changes are mostly from migrating from old III gen ISP (StarLight+) processor, used in PTZ425DB/49425 to IV gen ISP processor, developed for Full Color cams...

It's a pity that Dahua didn't use the latest (Q1 2023) available technology here - AI-ISP (5th generation), which we can use in WizMind-S (5442-S3) and WizMind-X (7442-X) cameras. Looking today at the Dahua PTZ camera catalog and checking on what chipsets they are, you can see that PTZ cams are 1-2 generations behind static IP cameras.

When we compare original 5442 from 2019 (III gen ISP) with Full Color 5449/5849-180 (IV gen ISP) and newest 5442-S3 (V gen AI-ISP), which all are using the same image sensor - we see how big difference makes Image Signal Processor (ISP) technology.
 
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@wittaj Could you (or anyone) post pictures of the cameras (PTZ4M-25X-PV and preferably PTZ425DB-AT) next to something for size comparison? Whether they be mounted, on a table, next to each other, whatever is most convenient. I can't find pictures or videos of these cameras in reference to anything, or what they looks like in action. Not looking for test footage, I'm looking for video of the camera itself while in action. Would be very much appreciated.

EDIT nevermind, I'm finding better results if I search for the original Dahua product # vs the EmpireTech branded model #
 
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How is this PTZ compared to the

PTZ4E25X-T180? Doesn't the triple setup offer better value; essentially offering the same PTZ camera with two additional cameras integrated?

 
In theory yes. But if the 180 suffers from the same issues we have seen with the stand alone 180 as it relates to IVS detection (or lack thereof outside of the middle third of the camera), then for most, spotter cams would be the better choice.
 
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In theory yes. But if the 180 suffers from the same issues we have seen with the stand alone 180 as it relates to IVS detection (or lack thereof outside of the middle third of the camera), then for most, spotter cams would be the better choice.
Thanks for pointing that out, my limitation is that I can't run a second cable for a spotter camera below the PTZ; although I have multiple cameras overlapping in that area from separate vantage point angle(s) which technically fulfills the purpose; my OCD calls for a spotter camera below the PTZ though which tells me that the T180 PTZ would have been able to suffice that;
I currently have the PTZ4M 25X PV in my setup
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the PTZ performance (night and day) virtually identical between these two models?
 
Thanks for pointing that out, my limitation is that I can't run a second cable for a spotter camera below the PTZ; although I have multiple cameras overlapping in that area from separate vantage point angle(s) which technically fulfills the purpose; my OCD calls for a spotter camera below the PTZ though which tells me that the T180 PTZ would have been able to suffice that;
I currently have the PTZ4M 25X PV in my setup
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the PTZ performance (night and day) virtually identical between these two models?

Yeah that should perform the same as that PTZ.

One cable - no problem- many of us use this for that 2nd camera.

 
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