New system - what Cat PoE cable?

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Hi all. Im about to install a whole new system into our new house.
What cat cable should i run?
I'll be running all dahua poe cameras with 2 of them being PTZs.
No huge distances being run form camera to nvr.
Cat6
Cat6e
Cat7
Cat8
Etc etc?
 

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I'd run no less than CAT-6 of # 23 AWG, the larger gauge will help with the power to the PTZ's if they're a good distance and/or require POE+.

Insure it is pure, solid copper, not CCA (Copper Clad Aluminum) with a CMR jacket rated for use in attic, crawlspaces, in-walls and between floors. CMP (Plenum) is more expensive but can be used where CMR (Riser) is required but not vice-versa (cannot use CMR where CMP is required).

Insure the RJ-45 connectors are for #23 gauge AND are for solid conductors.
 

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If it's dedicated runs to devices that have "normal" data rates (like CCTV cameras) then Cat5e cable is fine IMHO. A single CCTV camera is never going to need 1gb or higher speeds. However if you are running cables to "unknown" devices, or for general computer use, etc, then higher spec cable is certainly better because it will allow you to utilize faster transport speeds in the future.

Just keep in mind that whatever generation you choose, it's not just the cable spec that you need to pay attention to. You also need to make sure your connectors and patch panels, etc are all rated for the same spec (or better) than the cable. Running Cat8 wire, but using Cat5 connectors, may only give you Cat5 speeds/bandwidth.
 

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I’ll add if your network equipment isn’t up to par and have chosen to use an Amazon special POE Switch / POE NVR.

And the PTZ is at the upper levels of POE+ get ready to see a blown port or failed switch / NVR.

This is why running a dedicated power line is essential so it can be powered by a dedicated POE Injector / 12-48 VDC PSU.

If the PTZ is 24 VAC you’ll be extremely happy you have that dedicated power

The overall distance will determine the AWG cable diameter to use from 18-2, 16-2, 14-2, 12-2 to maintain the expected voltage drop.

If you haven’t purchased the cable and we’re going to entertain CAT7 / CAT8 cable. You should consider shielded cable to reduce RFI, EMI, and Lightning hazards.

Keep in mind everything must be shielded if you go down this road.

Cable, RJ45, Patch Panel, and properly (bonded) grounded to the homes single point Earth grounding system in the electrical service panel.

NOTE: The power cable can be repurposed to power other 12 VDC devices such as a microphone, speaker, light, sensors etc.
 

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I prefer the N+1+ rule when running network cables .. that is alway run at least one extra cable
 

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I prefer the N+1+ rule when running network cables .. that is alway run at least one extra cable
What exactly do you mean by running an extra cable? As in run 2x cat lines to each camera?
 

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What exactly do you mean by running an extra cable? As in run 2x cat lines to each camera?
Yes, especially if this is a very difficult location to run the Ethernet cable. Doing so allows you to grow and add on in the future and saves you time later.

In the worst case scenario the cable can be repurposed to power other devices such as microphone, speaker, lights, sensors.

Let’s just assume you say you didn’t have enough cable on site. Worst case scenario is you run a (Pull String) during the first pull.

With the pull string in place it doesn’t matter you didn’t run the second line. Because you can do so later when it’s convenient or finances are more available. :thumb:

It should be noted that (IF) you forego the shielded cable and live in a lightning prone area. Do NOT coil your service line next to the camera and in stead leave enough on the other end for a service loop.

If you have complete access where the camera is you can simply secure 2-5 feet of extra cable higher up in the rafters in a (U) shape. Secure the extra cable just with painters tape as it’s easily pulled apart.

Coiled wire is / will act like an induction coil (magnet) when energized. Lightning will induce EMF into the coiled wire resulting in a really bad day for everyone! :facepalm:

Lastly, some tips that I hope will benefit you in the future.

Marking: Label each end of the cable with a sharpie using alpha numeric values. Mark the cable on both ends at two foot intervals. Follow up with the painters tape wrap it around a few times and mark what ever you had in sharpie.

Take clear tape and wrap the painters tape to protect the ink.

The above is the cheapest DIY method to mark cables. In the professional world it’s sharpie -> heat shrink label - Zip Tag.

As it relates to RJ45 connectors I know it’s all the rage to use pass through connectors as it’s easier to see the cable order.

But I would encourage you to purchase dead end connectors that use a (Load Bar) which makes it just as easy to confirm the wire placement.

In all cases you must use dielectric grease especially if you use pass through connectors as the end of the copper will oxidize quickly and short out the camera / port / switch!

Always squeeze a small drop into the connector as well. This will assure when the pins are pressed into the cable there’s no air gap to oxidize the copper.
 

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What exactly do you mean by running an extra cable? As in run 2x cat lines to each camera?
N+1+ => For each location that you thought you want to run N cables .. run at least ONE more cable ..

So .. if you wanted to run just 1 cable .. Run 2 or more
if you wanted to run 2 cables, run 3 or more ..

Most places I just run 1 extra ..
 
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