EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH or NVR8CH-AI

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So I’m looking at purchasing 3 or 4 IPC-T54IR-AS from Andy however I’m not sure what NVR to go for out of the two.

From what I can tell the more expensive one has more advanced AI capabilities, however I’ve read it’s best to enable the AI on the camera itself and not the NVR.

Are there any other differences?
 
I would get the AI version if you can afford it, which is what I have. I agree it's better to enable AI features on the cameras, but you never know if the NVR will add AI features faster than the cameras. For example, I'm holding out for animal detection or SMD with defined AI areas so that it doesn't trigger bushes moving in the wind all the time or my AC unit fan spinning.
 
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It is always best to enable the AI on the camera and you will much happier with the NVR8CH-AI.
FYI the 8P with have the PoE switch in the NVR and all the camera cables will need to go back to the NVR and the non (xP) you will need your own PoE switch to power the cameras.
 
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Heat wise, would that be worrisome enabling AI on the camera?

About this NV41A1-8P-4KH...

Is this an international model (non-US market)?
What is meant by industrial-grade processor and Security Baseline 2.3?
Will this recorder run perimeter intrusion, tripwire, abandoned/missing object when Smart Plan (IVS) is enabled in supported cameras?

My reason for the last question is that those features were not mentioned on Dahua Security's website, only SMD+. It is my understanding that Smart Plan IVS is replaced by Smart Motion Detection Plus, am I right?

My last concern, I hope this model series is not part of that 4xxxx "no IVS" firmware mess. Can anyone confirm this?

Would appreciate your honest insight.
 
Heat wise, would that be worrisome enabling AI on the camera?
No we do it 99% of the time across thousands of cameras.

Is this an international model (non-US market)?
Not sure what you mean. Its sold internationally but its not a Non-US market NVR
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EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
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What is meant by industrial-grade processor and Security Baseline 2.3?
Thats an Andy question

Will this recorder run perimeter intrusion, tripwire, abandoned/missing object when Smart Plan (IVS) is enabled in supported cameras?
Specs are clearly spelled out on this page. It doesn't mentiuon Abandoned/missing object
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EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
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My reason for the last question is that those features were not mentioned on Dahua Security's website, only SMD+. It is my understanding that Smart Plan IVS is replaced by Smart Motion Detection Plus, am I right?
No, IVS and SMD are two different things entirely. They are both "AI" functions. This NVR shows to have both
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EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
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My last concern, I hope this model series is not part of that 4xxxx "no IVS" firmware mess. Can anyone confirm this?
No

Note this is a "Lite" /"value" NVR. It does not have all of the topline features or horsepower as the more expensive ones. Its a value/$ choice
 
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bigredfish said:
Heat wise, would that be worrisome enabling AI on the camera?
No we do it 99% of the time across thousands of cameras.

Is this an international model (non-US market)?
Not sure what you mean. Its sold internationally but its not a Non-US market NVR
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com

What is meant by industrial-grade processor and Security Baseline 2.3?
Thats an Andy question

Will this recorder run perimeter intrusion, tripwire, abandoned/missing object when Smart Plan (IVS) is enabled in supported cameras?
Specs are clearly spelled out on this page. It doesn't mentiuon Abandoned/missing object
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com

My reason for the last question is that those features were not mentioned on Dahua Security's website, only SMD+. It is my understanding that Smart Plan IVS is replaced by Smart Motion Detection Plus, am I right?
No, IVS and SMD are two different things entirely. They are both "AI" functions. This NVR shows to have both
empiretech01.com

EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH 8 Channel Compact 1HDD 1U 8PoE Network Video

Support multiple decoding formats Supports adaptive decoding AI by NVR AI by Camera Connected to third-party network cameras Security baseline 2.3
empiretech01.com empiretech01.com

My last concern, I hope this model series is not part of that 4xxxx "no IVS" firmware mess. Can anyone confirm this?
No

Note this is a "Lite" /"value" NVR. It does not have all of the topline features or horsepower as the more expensive ones. Its a value/$ choice
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Good to know they don't overheat. Even if they do, I have always fought the urge to paint them knowing that these camera bodies served as heatsinks to help dissipate internal heat. At one point, I almost did the worse thing that you could ever do which is dip it in plastic (plasti-dip). Glad I repented. After all, they didn't powder-coat them for nothing.

I thought the IVS mentioned in the literature is associated with SMD+ ala Smart Plan which has its own set of IVS. It's a good thing you made it clear that they are both different. Now there are three options to choose from events: IVS, SMD+, and the basic motion detection. You can only enable one for it to work just like you cannot use tripwire with motion detect enabled, correct?

Lite suits my needs for now.

Thanks, Fish.
 
Many here paint them with no issues.

You can enable all three motion detections, but most here find that IVS only withput MD or SMD works the best.
 
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Smart Plan must be enabled in order to use ANY AI.

So if you want to use SMD, you have to enable SmartPLan first
Want to use IVS, have to enable SmartPlan first.

SMD and IVS are different. Not the same. SMD doesnt have IVS, IVS is an alternative to SMD. A better one in 99% of cases.

Basic plain MD is just that and must be enabled to use SMD which is a layer on top of plain MD. They are both far Inferior to IVS

Now there are three options to choose from events: IVS, SMD+, and the basic motion detection.
Correct

You can only enable one for it to work just like you cannot use tripwire with motion detect enabled, correct?
You can enable them simultaneously but its not advised. Typically once you see what IVS (tripwire, Intrusion, Face Detection, etc- all IVS functions) can do, you will see there is no need for MD or SMD
 
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Tic said:
What is meant by industrial-grade processor....?
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I'll take a crack at this one. It means some marketing person thinks it sounds really good and might impress somebody. Information-wise, it's somewhat similar to the new toilet paper roll being 60% bigger, but we won't tell you bigger than what?
 
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bigredfish said:
Smart Plan must be enabled in order to use ANY AI.

So if you want to use SMD, you have to enable SmartPLan first
Want to use IVS, have to enable SmartPlan first.

SMD and IVS are different. Not the same. SMD doesnt have IVS, IVS is an alternative to SMD. A better one in 99% of cases.

Basic plain MD is just that and must be enabled to use SMD which is a layer on top of plain MD. They are both far Inferior to IVS

Now there are three options to choose from events: IVS, SMD+, and the basic motion detection.
Correct

You can only enable one for it to work just like you cannot use tripwire with motion detect enabled, correct?
You can enable them simultaneously but its not advised. Typically once you see what IVS (tripwire, Intrusion, Face Detection, etc- all IVS functions) can do, you will see there is no need for MD or SMD
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The fog of misconception has been lifted. Everything is crystal clear now.

Very much appreciate it, Fish. :thumb:
 
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tigerwillow1 said:
I'll take a crack at this one. It means some marketing person thinks it sounds really good and might impress somebody. Information-wise, it's somewhat similar to the new toilet paper roll being 60% bigger, but we won't tell you bigger than what?
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:lol: Reminds me of a t.v. commercial about a "smart" denture or something. Like when does a piece of resin start to think on its own? Duh.
 
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tigerwillow1 said:
I'll take a crack at this one. It means some marketing person thinks it sounds really good and might impress somebody. Information-wise, it's somewhat similar to the new toilet paper roll being 60% bigger, but we won't tell you bigger than what?
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Still, it would be good to know what it is, e.g. early generation i3, mid-generation i5, etc. It seems silly to hide the specs with a meaningless marketing term.
 
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EmpireTech NVR8CH-8P-2AI ($393.99) vs​

EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH ($189.99)​

If I don't care about POE capacity - is this the most important difference?
Perimeter Performance AI by Recorder
(Number of Channels) 4 VS 2 channels, 10 IVS rules for each channel
 
kd4e said:
Security baseline 2.3 appears to be a Microsoft thing - but this contains embedded Linux. I'm guessing it's not functional with the included firmware.
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Its actually a Dahua baseline related to their FW

You can still only run 8 cameras/channels regardless

  • different decoding capability
  • different max bandwidth

PLUS.....

NVR8CH-8P-2AI=($393.99)​

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NVR5216-8P-EI - Dahua International

NVR5216-8P-EI
www.dahuasecurity.com www.dahuasecurity.com
AI by Recorder supports 2-channel face detection and recognition,up to 20 face databases and 20,000 face images; 4-channelperimeter protection; 8-channel SMD Plus.
AI by Camera supports face detection and recognition, perimeterprotection, SMD Plus, metadata, ANPR, stereo analysis, heat map,and people counting.
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EmpireTech NV41AI-8P-4KH ($189.99)​

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NVR4108-8P-EI - Dahua International

NVR4108-8P-EI
www.dahuasecurity.com www.dahuasecurity.com
AI by NVR: 1-channel face detection and recognition; 2-channelperimeter protection; up to 10 face databases and 20,000 faceimages; 4-channel SMD Plus
AI by Camera: Face detection and recognition, perimeterprotection; SMD Plus; people counting; stereo analysis; heat map
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