Factor01's Update Thread

In terms of getting the most out of the camera, here is my "standard" post that many use as a start for dialing in day and night that helps get the clean captures and help the camera recognize people and cars.

Start with:

H264
8192 bitrate
CBR
15FPS
15 iframes

Every field of view is different, but I have found you need contrast to usually be 6-8 higher than the brightness number at night.

We want the ability to freeze frame capture a clean image from the video at night, and that is only done with a shutter of 1/60 or faster. At night, default/auto may be on 1/12s shutter or worse to make the image bright.

In my opinion, shutter (exposure) and gain are the two most important parameters and then base the others off of it. Shutter is more important than FPS. It is the shutter speed that prevents motion blur, not FPS. 15 FPS is more than enough for surveillance cameras as we are not producing Hollywood movies. Match iframes to FPS. 15FPS is all that is usually needed.

Many people do not realize there is manual shutter that lets you adjust shutter and gain and a shutter priority that only lets you adjust shutter speed but not gain. The higher the gain, the bigger the noise and see-through ghosting start to appear because the noise is amplified. Most people select shutter priority and run a faster shutter than they should because it is likely being done at 100 gain, so it is actually defeating their purpose of a faster shutter.

Go into shutter settings and change to manual shutter and start with custom shutter as ms and change to 0-8.3ms and gain 0-50 (night) and 0-4ms exposure and 0-30 gain (day)for starters. Auto could have a shutter speed of 100ms or more with a gain at 100 and shutter priority could result in gain up at 100 which will contribute to significant ghosting and that blinding white you will get from the infrared or white light.

Now what you will notice immediately at night is that your image gets A LOT darker. That faster the shutter, the more light that is needed. But it is a balance. The nice bright night static image results in Casper blur and ghost during motion LOL. What do we want, a nice static image or a clean image when there is motion introduced to the scene?

In the daytime, if it is still too bright, then drop the 4ms down to 3ms then 2ms, etc. You have to play with it for your field of view.

Then at night, if it is too dark, then start adding ms to the time. Go to 10ms, 12ms, etc. until you find what you feel is acceptable as an image. Then have someone walk around and see if you can get a clean shot. Try not to go above 16.67ms (but certainly not above 30ms) as that tends to be the point where blur starts to occur. Conversely, if it is still bright, then drop down in time to get a faster shutter.

You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.

You can also add some gain to brighten the image - but the higher the gain, the more ghosting you get. Some cameras can go to 70 or so before it is an issue and some can't go over 50.

But adjusting those two settings will have the biggest impact. The next one is noise reduction. Want to keep that as low as possible. Depending on the amount of light you have, you might be able to get down to 40 or so at night (again camera dependent) and 20-30 during the day, but take it as low as you can before it gets too noisy. Again this one is a balance as well. Too smooth and no noise can result in soft images and contribute to blur.

Do not use backlight features until you have exhausted every other parameter setting. And if you do have to use backlight, take it down as low as possible.

After every setting adjustment, have someone walk around outside and see if you can freeze-frame to get a clean image. If not, keep changing until you do. Clean motion pictures are what we are after, not a clean static image.
 
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You can also adjust brightness and contrast to improve the image. But try not to go above 70 for anything and try to have contrast be at least 7-10 digits higher than brightness.
Do you mean in this area? I was under the impression these settings don't really effect the recording and imaging. Maybe you are telling me it does? so this will impact the footage recorded on BI?
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Do you mean in this area? I was under the impression these settings don't really effect the recording and imaging. Maybe you are telling me it does? so this will impact the footage recorded on BI?
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Yes those greatly impact the images and the ability of AI to work effectively and we have also seen it impact focus to some degree.
 
Both. The biggest issues is the AI needs to be able to make out the object and contrast is a big component of that.

But unless you need some of the exotic CodeProject stuff, the AI of the camera should be more than sufficient for you.
 
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I need to identify vehicles, people, pets (cats and dogs), faces and License plates. As well as trigger any of that to my home assistant. I already have CPAI on docker as well set that up months ago.
 
The Live view seems grainy. Which setting might be the culprit?
 
The Live view seems grainy. Which setting might be the culprit?

Not enough light LOL.

It is a balance between shutter speed, gain, and NR.

If the shutter speed is too slow, you will get motion blur.

If the gain is too high you will get ghosting.

If the NR is too high, you will get blur.

So the key is not to focus on the static image and focus on motion. Sometimes the grainy goes away when an object passes and the IR reflectiveness back to the camera gives it enough light.
 
I want revisit this camera. I remeasured. Measure more right... Some of the info was not quiet correct.. See below for corrections.

Driveway camera
Current is a Amcrest IP8M-2496EW-AI-V3 1/2.7 Squarely in the Red zone

Driveway is about 90' long and 20' wide.
Cam is about 12' up the Identify distances starts at 20' in front of the Camera AKA The Camera sits behind the Driveway 20'. Looks down the drive to the street. Can see all cars and into the street. There is a side garage door and side entry door.

I would like to Identify in the 20' - 50' range if possible.

is the 5442 (54IR) ZE still the best choice?
OR
the IPC-B54IR-Z4E S3
OR
the IPC-B52IR-Z12E S2
 
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The ZE would be better on the 20-35 range and the Z4E on the 35 to 50 range.

Keep in mind the Z4E focal length starts at about the full zoom of the ZE, so you do lose a lot of the area under the camera to where the field of view is.

Z12E would be overkill for 50 feet.
 
These are a T54IR-ZE set to 12mm (full zoom), with an install height of 7ft or so.

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25ft
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18ft
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This is a B54IR-Z4E set to 32mm (full zoom).

20ft install height, 85ft horizontal distance.
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Moved to 11ft install height and 65ft horizontal distance.
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The ZE would be better on the 20-35 range and the Z4E on the 35 to 50 range.

Keep in mind the Z4E focal length starts at about the full zoom of the ZE, so you do lose a lot of the area under the camera to where the field of view is.

Z12E would be overkill for 50 feet.
Ok I think i will still go with the ZE. I would still rather ID closer to the House.

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As always thanks for the real shots.. It really helps.