2 Thieves Caught in Act & at Gunpoint.

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The big officer came into our home and informed me I did exactly the right thing in this situation. He said the kids were very scared and not having chambered the gun kept a possible shooting where I would of been taken in from happening. He commended me for staying calm and keeping my head on straight. He also explained the laws that our state follow in this situation. I would hate to accidentally fire off a bullet when purely no aggression was given by these kids. Had to a been there to know the reasons I acted as such.
Understand, I'm trying to help.
Typically a very bad idea to take legal advice from the popo, just don't.
These were just "kids", yet one was already in a boys home? I don't think he's a saint.
Kids commit felonious acts everyday.

I'll just leave this here:

Jeff Cooper's Rules of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET



RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it;e.g. "Treat all guns as if they were loaded." Unfortunately, the "as if" compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.

All guns are always loaded - period!

This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, "Don't worry, it's not loaded," you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, "I didn't know it was loaded!"


RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone's hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to "open" it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a "target" that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)


Rule III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.


RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.



SUMMARY:
Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?
 

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yeah, nice job. We can all say we would know what to do if put into this situation, but until we are face to face, we really don't know.
Owning a gun is a HUGE responsibility, get some training from @bigredfish :) Get some force on force training.
Training and thinking through scenarios can give a handle on what you might or might not do.

Did I mention, don't take legal advice from the popo. ;)
 
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nice job, but like the others have said get some defensive handgun training and follow the 4 rules of firearm safety. You were very lucky to have encountered "good" kids
 

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Why "what if" this guy? He acted quickly, decisively and effectively with a positive outcome. You can review any military action in a guerilla warfare environment and the amount of variables are endless. This particular show was similar to guerilla/rebel action in which citizens became combatants - and we're caught in the act of trespass. Was there good luck involved for the homeowner? Yes. He engaged them at 3am! Imagine the typical 9-5 workerbee husband & wife - normally fast asleep at that hour - being 100% coordinated for ACTION and ready to defend their property at 3am.
In an environment where nothing can be perfect... this husband/wife couple did it as correct as possible.
 

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A gun is not a gun unless you have it loaded IMO its just another piece of metal no different then a golf club. I won't say more as you probably didn't have an idea where they were after you stopped watching the camera, but if they are going to the side of the house my sense would have had me go down the front steps to the street that way you have a full view and the darkness in your favor not to mention the cars. Blind cornering will always get your killed especially when there is two of them. None the less ill give you credit for acting.


One last thing I would have waiting to turn the laser on it was a give away
 
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Why "what if" this guy? He acted quickly, decisively and effectively with a positive outcome. You can review any military action in a guerilla warfare environment and the amount of variables are endless. This particular show was similar to guerilla/rebel action in which citizens became combatants - and we're caught in the act of trespass. Was there good luck involved for the homeowner? Yes. He engaged them at 3am! Imagine the typical 9-5 workerbee husband & wife - normally fast asleep at that hour - being 100% coordinated for ACTION and ready to defend their property at 3am.
In an environment where nothing can be perfect... this husband/wife couple did it as correct as possible.
to keep the OP safe and others that may follow his lead. I have gone out to investigate disturbances, but I was wearing a plate carrier with rifle plates, had on a helmet with night vision, had my dog as other eyes and ears and was armed with a suppressed SBR. the female unit was providing armed cover and we had comms running
 

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to keep the OP safe and others that may follow his lead. I have gone out to investigate disturbances, but I was wearing a plate carrier with rifle plates, had on a helmet with night vision, had my dog as other eyes and ears and was armed with a suppressed SBR. the female unit was providing armed cover and we had comms running
What no air support??? :idk:
 

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no, in my hesitate to get my gear on I even forgot my shorts so I was naked from the waist down
Haha. Have cleared the perimeter of my house several times in nothing but boxers and AR. Wish I had the silencer.
 

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Thought this video might be of interest. It is a "sales pitch" for the USCCA membership, but it is worth considering if you own a gun.
I am a member but other than that have no connection.

 

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At least one of them is appropriately dressed for the time and occasion:
3:30 a.m.
Residential neighborhood.
Backpack.
Never fails. He might as well be wearing a sign that says, "We're here to steal from you."
 

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Well, I strolled back in to view this video I posted some time ago and really enjoy all the comments everyone has left. I can honestly say thank you for all your concern and thoughts. I do realize after reading through that I did make some mistakes that could of been serious. I thank god that the kids were easily controlled with just firm vocal commands. Every comment members gave was given as a thought from many experienced people here that are honestly concerned about the members welfare and I thank you all for every bit of help you all have given to me.
I am enrolling in a weapon defense class and taking the gun to the range for practice and becoming accustom to the actions of the gun as well as my own. This forum is a great place with level heads and good advice and not a troll in site. I commend the admin and members, thank you again. :.)
 
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