Alternative to blue iris

Peg1987

Peg1987

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Hi all I'm new in the forum but I need help.
I'm using blue iris since 3 years but now is time to change.
I've 9 cameras 7 are 4k, 1 is 5MP and the older is 3Mp, the frame rate is 15fps for 7 cameras, and 25fps for 2. I have a mix of brands (annke, reolink, haktivision)
I'm interested in human recognition for all the camera. 5 camera can recognize humans by themselves but this functionality can't be imported in BI.
I've 2 questions:
How is it possible that the cams can recognize human body easily, while a dvr requires a lot of resources? I'm using Google coral to, but the recognize time is less than 200ms at the boot but over 3 sec after some hours.
There is an alternative to blue iris?
My sistema is running on a VM, the cpu is a ryzen 4650g, and 32G of ram.
The surveillance station of Synology seams more modern and more powerful that blueiris but the price of the system is very huge for my camera and my wallet! I don't know even it has enough power.

Please help me!!
 
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What do you mean your cameras can trigger for humans but can't be imported into BI? Many of us use the camera AI for humans to trigger BI.

You won't find anything at the price point of BI.
 
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I haven't heard of a decent competitor that's even in the ballpark as BI.

There's many ways to run excellent human detection in Blue Iris. You can get a low priced (under $100 USD) video card and install NVIDIA CUDA and have it handle the AI detection to take load off your CPU. Happy to tell you more about my system and give links on this web site if you're interested in learning more.
 
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For me, the most important thing is reduce the power consumption. A dedicated GPU, is too energy expansive (and I've no space on my proxmoxvsystem) . I'm more interested in "how use the people detection of the camera" discharging the cpu if the pc! I've saw many video for the setup, an this point was never emerged.
 
I do not have a dedicated GPU.

You set up the AI in the camera GUI.

In BI under camera setup page where username and password is, at the bottom is a box to check called "get ONVIF triggers"

Then under motion unchecked the BI motion and check the external/camera motion box.

Now the camera AI will trigger BI.
 
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If you really want to change to something else, try Frigate and buy the Coral TPU.
Frigate is something a lot of people in the Home Assistant automation groups like to use (the free version).
 
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I have problems with my cheap cameras... Even the "from the datasheet" supports person detection, this seams don't working. I have a lot of event error... And the camera doesn't have onvif option... Reading on the web, is seams an anonymous access not permitted (and I don't understand why it's trying an anonymous access when the camere is connected using right credentials. My camera are annke c800 and reolink 810a and 822.
 
Peg1987 said:
Hi all I'm new in the forum but I need help.
I'm using blue iris since 3 years but now is time to change.
I've 9 cameras 7 are 4k, 1 is 5MP and the older is 3Mp, the frame rate is 15fps for 7 cameras, and 25fps for 2. I have a mix of brands (annke, reolink, haktivision)
I'm interested in human recognition for all the camera. 5 camera can recognize humans by themselves but this functionality can't be imported in BI.
I've 2 questions:
How is it possible that the cams can recognize human body easily, while a dvr requires a lot of resources? I'm using Google coral to, but the recognize time is less than 200ms at the boot but over 3 sec after some hours.
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As noted, you can have AI built into your cameras, NVR, or use third party AI software to add this functionality to BI and other systems. If you want to use the AI built into the camera, you need to use ONVIF triggers. The camera will send out an ONVIF trigger when it's AI senses the correct object and BI (or other solutions) will act on that ONVIF trigger.

Obviously if your cameras don't have AI, or you aren't happy with the AI performance, then you can either use a NVR with AI built in, or you can add it to BI using third party software. If you go with the third party software, using a graphics card may speed up the processing times, but it is not required for the AI to work and honestly it probably doesn't actually speed up things all that much on the current software and models.

Peg1987 said:
There is an alternative to blue iris?
My sistema is running on a VM, the cpu is a ryzen 4650g, and 32G of ram.
The surveillance station of Synology seams more modern and more powerful that blueiris but the price of the system is very huge for my camera and my wallet! I don't know even it has enough power.
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Besides the other suggestions already made, there is another option called Shinobi (Shinobi). I tried it years ago before deciding BI was the best solution for me. At that time it wasn't very stable, but it's been YEARS since I looked at it. I'm sure it has gotten better over time.

Peg1987 said:
Frigate supports only h264, for this reason I'm not considering it.
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h264 is fine for CCTV use. In fact, many cameras seem to work better and are more reliable with that codex vs other options.
 
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Many of us have found H265 doesn't save that much storage, especially when video quality is more important.

Mine was only saving a few extra minutes every day with H265.
 
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OK but a question:
what should change from using BI with Google coral and frigate with Google Coral? Just in term of performance.
On frigate page you see that google coral can manage 100+FPS, but my sistem is about 160fps.
 
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Hello all,

i'd love to take up some of you guys on your recommendations and offers to share your systems/setup.

i am new to the Home Automation world and subsequently new to Blue Iris. I have a background in IT (mostly storage server rack hardware like NetApp). we recently bought a house and picked up 4 (2 packs of Amcrest 2-Pack UltraHD 4K (8MP) Outdoor Security IP Turret PoE Camera, 3840x2160, 98ft NightVision, 2.8mm Lens, IP67 Weatherproof, MicroSD Recording (256GB), White (2PACK-IP8M-T2599EW)) and an 8 POE NVR. all the cameras are up all the camera feeds are in HA but i'm having quite a time with Triggers and Motion detection and the AI side of it

Here's what i wat to accomplish:
1. have motion detection alerts to my phone and wifes phone when confirmed motion alerts happen such as a car driving into the driveway or someone walking into the front yard (gate) confirmed by AI but i'm honestly lost here
2. i'd like to leverage home assistant as well to create separate triggers based on if motion is detected such as turn on (location xx light)
3. be able to get notifications while i'm away from home (not on local lan) and/or access BI remotely while not on local lan depending on where notifications originate from this could be a BI thing or HA thing (currently using HA so may be a non-issue)

i have the blueiris addon installed in HA and MQTT setup but the motion detection sets its status then does nothing for hours on end when i know there is motion going on. i have to assume that i have something setup incorrectly in BI since its currently the source of motion, i am not using amcrest motion detection.

my hardware running BI is an hp desktop with a i5-12400 104 gb of ram running windows 10 pro 2 2tb nvme drives 1 4 tb storage drive nvidia rtx 3060 i also have plugged in a coral usb accelarator
with the current setup i have i'm looking at idle 25-40% cpu usage and 7-12% gpu usage ~6gb or ram usage

what would be helpful to share related to my camera setups to narrow down motion detection issues and notifications if applicable
 
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Unfortunately not. It is what it is.

Downrezing doesn't work. It is simply 8MP shoved on a sensor designed for 2MP and downrezing to 2MP doesn't solve the issue of the 8MP pixel screen.
 
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