Andy's NVR vs Blue Iris?

richtj99

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Hi

I have been using blue iris for a number of years. I have a nas which is where I save my videos. I am running close to 64 cameras - mainly because I can't seem to stop buying cameras.

I do get a ton of false alerts in Blueiris and am comfortable with it overall but was curious about what the pros/cons would be upgrading to Andy's NVR?

Would I need a 64 channel one? Do the empire tech ai cameras work better with this NVR vs Blue?

Thanks
Rich
 
I have Bi and I have loads of NVRs.. Like you I like cameras. I have more then my fair share. I have mostly Amcrest NVRs and DVRs with some Hikvision OEM DVRs that I use as well. I personally like NVRs and DVRs over Bi because of the easy setup and my need to reset my recorders often. I do this because I do not because I have to.. Anyway I have older 5232E-16P, 4216E-AI, 4216-E1, 4108E-HS, 4108-A2, 4116E-HS, 2108E-HS, 16ch Alibi POE Ai NVR and use 3 main Amcrest DVRs all using AI tech and up to 4k cameras. with a mix of Analog to 8mp cameras and my Hikvision OEM DVRs are 2mp to 5mp on 5mp DVRs.. I can Reset a DVR and have setup for my needs in less then 20min. NVR I can Reset and setup in most cases in less then 30 min and when it comes to Bi if I remove and add back cameras, I have to fine tune them to meet my needs at times forgetting a step and I find out nothing recorded as I had wished it would. But with DVR and NVRs when I setup in that time they are and always record as expected. So for the Ease of use NVR would be the way to go. For better tune ability over time Bi works best but for some cameras with AI tech it is best to use the Ai NVR..

If I wanted 64 cameras to work, I would personally use more then 1 recorder. I mean I have more then 1 lol Not the reason why I would just to make them run better for me..
 
Oh boy here we go LOL

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Are you using BI motion detection or the camera AI?

The camera AI can be used to trigger alerts for BI and turn BI motion off, then it is the same trigger whether it is BI or an NVR.

But in general, the same brand camera and NVR should result in more functionality.
 
Recommend BI for you
 
I've never used BI before but I considered it when I got into the camera game. I ended up using Andy's NVR and i love the simplicity and resilience. The only thing I regretted was that animal detection didn't exist on the S3 cameras when I installed everything, but since animal detection was implemented on the camera AI, I've never had a need to switch at least for my needs.
 
So i am using BI but am also using Geovision VMS. I would like to retire that PC. I do love that BI has the UI3 web access - makes it very easy to use on anything. I am not against an app if thats what Andy's NVR does. I am guessing this is an OEM dahua style nvr. Ideally i like to have a backup recorder - it also saves to my Nas and i dont usually even look at that data unless the BI PC for whatever reason doesnt dump the 'new' data to 'stored' on nas - which does happen periodically.

So i am looking at this as a backup recorder - but BI could become the backup potentially also and be used more for viewing than recording.

I am curious why not get a 64 channel one (aside from the cost)? Also if i were to get two different NVR's - one being a 32 Andy one, and the other 32 one being what?


All cameras are IP (no analog) - i am trying to use AI with BI but not doing great at it for catching alerts - i suspect that is user error vs software error. It seems like if i set it to ai alerts - i miss everything but something like a truck driving by where without ai i might catch more. I am interested in using the cameras ai - for the ones that have it but want the NVR to catch motion also.
 
You need to spend some time dialing in the cameras or you will be wasting money on an NVR.

Switching to an NVR isn't a magic pill and if the cameras are not triggering reliably now, they won't with an NVR either.

In fact, using the NVR for AI can cripple the capacity of the NVR in several key areas.

It all starts with the camera.

I think your first thing is to start posting screenshots so we can help you dial it in.

BI can do exactly what you are asking.
 
Oh boy here we go LOL

Here is the search tool that catches most the NVR versus BI comparisons:

blue iris vs nvr ip cam site:ipcamtalk.com - Google Search


Are you using BI motion detection or the camera AI?

The camera AI can be used to trigger alerts for BI and turn BI motion off, then it is the same trigger whether it is BI or an NVR.

But in general, the same brand camera and NVR should result in more functionality.
Extremely out dated, there is very little in-terms of recent comparisons.
NVRs have come a long way in the last 6 months, with the AI features now maturing so I think OP's question is a good one.
I personally use BI with Coral TPU, super power efficient, but I have also tested a lot of NVRs and then paired with the same brand cameras they offer many advantages, so understand why people land on NVRs.
 
The newer and higher end NVR's now outperform BI. The benefits of BI at this point are primarily 3rd party tool integration and perhaps a few less used features.
 
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Lots of ways to define performance so I'm not going to use that broad brush. For me the big difference between the NVR and BI is in ease of use and productivity. That's not the whole story however because I rarely use the native interfaces on either one, instead using SmartPSS and UI3. So I'm in actually comparing SmartPSS and UI3. For both BI and NVR, I find the remote clients to be easier to use than the interface on the device itself. The comparison is only for viewing live video and events. After that, SmartPSS and UI3 are very different animals, with SmartPSS being a custom program running in the remote client and UI3 running on a web browser. They have very different capabilities in terms of other features, configurability, and control of the NVR or BI machine.

I have been running an older Dahua NVR and BI together for over a year, with the intent of deciding on one or the other. That goal has failed for me, because each has an important to me capability that's absent on the other. It's looking like I'm doomed to adding to the global warming crisis because I'm going to continue running both. I use BI/UI3 well over 95% of the time. It absolutely smokes SmartPSS for bouncing around to different cameras, scanning events, using the timeline, and zooming/panning on details. It's only when I'm after some small detail that I fire up SmartPSS, which sometimes gives me more or better info, like making out an almost unreadable license plate or identifying a small animal.

Another general comment of BI vs. NVR is that NVR is far simpler to set up while BI has many more capabilities. (I acknowledge disagreement on the setup comment). One example of annoying BI setup is having to figure out and enter storage limits, while on NVR it's automatic. One example of added capability, is with BI I have an IVS trigger on one camera turn on the while light of another camera. Can't do that with the NVR. With the added features of the new NVRs in the mix, I doubt the comparison is as simple as I'm making it.

Off the top of my head, here are some specific comparisons:

UI3 minuses (can be reversed for SmartPSS pluses):
1. Image quality when looking at small details. The really small details are just not as sharp as on SmartPSS. Also true of native NVR and BI interfaces.
2. Sometimes just goes dead for a while when scrolling rapidly through the clip (event) list.
3. No IVS trip lines displayed.
4. (NVR, not SmartPSS issue) Using digital I/O requires an external device, largely negating any BI price advantage.

UI3 pluses:
1. Fast-forward animated clip thumbnails. This is HUGE when scanning clips.
2. User-defined camera groups for display and clip lists.
3. Runs in browser instead of dedicated program.

SmartPSS total bonehead minuses that make it a pain in the rear to use:
1. Need to first press the "+" button to zoom/pan on a camera image.
2. Zoom lost when crossing an event start or end on playback.
3. Zoom lost when jumping on the timeline.
4. Can't single step through an event start or end.
5. No event pre-trigger when recording 24x7.

Direct comparisons are really difficult because of different design approaches. I promised a while back to post some videos. I made one that shows live viewing, but haven't gotten to the one for viewing clips, where the really big UI3 advantages are. There's just more chaos than time available right now. The video is 51 seconds long, beginning with all cameras displayed. Try to ignore the smaller window on the right, it just shows I don't know how to make these videos.

At :08 switch to a user defined camera group.
At :17 switch to a different camera group.
At :29 back to all cameras.
At :32 switch to a single camera.
At :33 zoom and pan (Not necessary to first click a button as in SmartPSS)
At :47 back to all cameras.


View attachment UI3-LiveView.mp4
 
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Lots of ways to define performance so I'm not going to use that broad brush. For me the big difference between the NVR and BI is in ease of use and productivity. That's not the whole story however because I rarely use the native interfaces on either one, instead using SmartPSS and UI3. So I'm in actually comparing SmartPSS and UI3. For both BI and NVR, I find the remote clients to be easier to use than the interface on the device itself. The comparison is only for viewing live video and events. After that, SmartPSS and UI3 are very different animals, with SmartPSS being a custom program running in the remote client and UI3 running on a web browser. They have very different capabilities in terms of other features, configurability, and control of the NVR or BI machine.

I have been running an older Dahua NVR and BI together for over a year, with the intent of deciding on one or the other. That goal has failed for me, because each has an important to me capability that's absent on the other. It's looking like I'm doomed to adding to the global warming crisis because I'm going to continue running both. I use BI/UI3 well over 95% of the time. It absolutely smokes SmartPSS for bouncing around to different cameras, scanning events, using the timeline, and zooming/panning on details. It's only when I'm after some small detail that I fire up SmartPSS, which sometimes gives me more or better info, like making out an almost unreadable license plate or identifying a small animal.

Another general comment of BI vs. NVR is that NVR is far simpler to set up while BI has many more capabilities. (I acknowledge disagreement on the setup comment). One example of annoying BI setup is having to figure out and enter storage limits, while on NVR it's automatic. One example of added capability, is with BI I have an IVS trigger on one camera turn on the while light of another camera. Can't do that with the NVR. With the added features of the new NVRs in the mix, I doubt the comparison is as simple as I'm making it.

Off the top of my head, here are some specific comparisons:

UI3 minuses (can be reversed for SmartPSS pluses):
1. Image quality when looking at small details. The really small details are just not as sharp as on SmartPSS. Also true of native NVR and BI interfaces.
2. Sometimes just goes dead for a while when scrolling rapidly through the clip (event) list.
3. No IVS trip lines displayed.
4. (NVR, not SmartPSS issue) Using digital I/O requires an external device, largely negating any BI price advantage.

UI3 pluses:
1. Fast-forward animated clip thumbnails. This is HUGE when scanning clips.
2. User-defined camera groups for display and clip lists.
3. Runs in browser instead of dedicated program.

SmartPSS total bonehead minuses that make it a pain in the rear to use:
1. Need to first press the "+" button to zoom/pan on a camera image.
2. Zoom lost when crossing an event start or end on playback.
3. Zoom lost when jumping on the timeline.
4. Can't single step through an event start or end.
5. No event pre-trigger when recording 24x7.

Direct comparisons are really difficult because of different design approaches. I promised a while back to post some videos. I made one that shows live viewing, but haven't gotten to the one for viewing clips, where the really big UI3 advantages are. There's just more chaos than time available right now. The video is 51 seconds long, beginning with all cameras displayed. Try to ignore the smaller window on the right, it just shows I don't know how to make these videos.

At :08 switch to a user defined camera group.
At :17 switch to a different camera group.
At :29 back to all cameras.
At :32 switch to a single camera.
At :33 zoom and pan (Not necessary to first click a button as in SmartPSS)
At :47 back to all cameras.


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SmartPSS total bonehead minuses that make it a pain in the rear to use:
1. Need to first press the "+" button to zoom/pan on a camera image.
2. Zoom lost when crossing an event start or end on playback.
3. Zoom lost when jumping on the timeline.
4. Can't single step through an event start or end.
5. No event pre-trigger when recording 24x7.


#1-3 are only if you choose to 'digital zoom" on a recording which like with all digital video will pixelate/distort. You can open the video to full screen
#4 yes you can. I demo'd that last time You're correct as far as from frame #1. But you can single step through an event after first skipping frame #1, I catch motion within events this way all the time for snapshots (see gator sample below)
#5 true but you dont need it because you have full time and no video is lost

@richtj99 see this 3 page threads, I show plenty of video examples
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#1-3 are only if you choose to 'digital zoom" on a recording which like with all digital video will pixelate/distort. You can open the video to full screen
#4 yes you can. I demo'd that last time You're correct as far as from frame #1. But you can single step through an event after first skipping frame 31, I catch motion within events this way all the time for snapshots (see gator sample below)
#5 true but you dont need it because you have full time and no video is lost
I'm not claiming that you can't accomplish these tasks with SmartPSS, it's just that there is a very significant difference in the time and effort involved. Here's an example where zoom is useful, even when displaying a single camera on full screen. (snips from SmartPSS).
pond1.jpg pond2.jpg

To illustrate my comment about the UI3 video not being as sharp, here's the fullscreen zoomed image from it, below. The issue doesn't matter much when not zoomed. I hope that it's a problem I'm responsible for and haven't figured out yet. I've got zero loyalty to either of these systems, they're like a hammer or screwdriver to me, and I use the one that makes my job the easiest.
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I'm not claiming that you can't accomplish these tasks with SmartPSS, it's just that there is a very significant difference in the time and effort involved. Here's an example where zoom is useful, even when displaying a single camera on full screen. (snips from SmartPSS).
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To illustrate my comment about the UI3 video not being as sharp, here's the fullscreen zoomed image from it, below. The issue doesn't matter much when not zoomed. I hope that it's a problem I'm responsible for and haven't figured out yet. I've got zero loyalty to either of these systems, they're like a hammer or screwdriver to me, and I use the one that makes my job the easiest.
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From your video a few posts up, you have maxed UI3 at 1080p and VBR.

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This debate will go on and on until BI or NVRs are no longer sold LOL.

Kinda like asking the Toyota/Honda or Ford/Chevy or Dahua/Hikvision question. Or just about any product LOL.

Loyalists to both.

To some, NVRs are easier. To others BI is easier.

I have both and prefer BI.

My main system is BI (with a redundant record only NVR because I came from NVR first) and "manage" 3 neighbors NVRs. I say manage in that they call me whenever there is an issue LOL.

When we have an incident, I have seen similar to @tigerwillow1 in that I can skim and find the event and export out and what not much faster than I can when I login to my neighbors NVRs.

But @bigredfish has shown videos how fast he can do it with his NVR.

Comes down to his comfort level and use of the NVR, just like us with BI LOL.

Two other BI advantages include you can go up to 64 cameras with the same purchase....unlike those that buy an 8 channel NVR thinking that is enough and then have to buy a 2nd NVR and run two at the same time LOL. Or sell the NVR and buy a larger one.

The other advantage is spotter cams for a PTZ in that you can tell BI to not activate a spotter cam when the PTZ is actively tracking based on a previously triggered spotter cam, whereas with an NVR, every time a spotter cam is triggered, it will send the PTZ to the spotter cam preset.
 
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Wow, fair and balanced. Never get away with that in the politics thread!
 
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From your video a few posts up, you have maxed UI3 at 1080p and VBR.
That's going to be at least a partial explanation. When I crank the bitrate up to 8k/4320 the image definitely improves. I think SmartPSS still looks sharper but can't really tell right now because the light level is a lot lower and even the SmartPSS image looks lousy compared to this morning.

One thing I obviously don't understand, since my UI3 display is 1080p, shouldn't the UI3 bitrate at 1080p max out the display capability?
 
This is just editorial opinion after just having found in the BI instructions how to make something work right, that is totally easy in SmartPSS because it's the default.

Comparing viewing between SmartPSS and UI3, with SmartPSS it's like crawling on the hot desert floor, compared to happily skipping through the forest with UI3. If you hang in there with SmartPSS you'll eventually get to the same place.

On the other hand, setting up BI and learning the zillions of options and configuration settings is like being thrown into a pool full of gators, hoping you make it out before you drown or get eaten.

Just opinion after dealing with both for a time!
 
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^^^
LOL

I must disagree. Using SmartPSS could not be easier, as I've shown in videos.

And you can do everything you show as far as defining groups, switching groups with a click, open a single camera, back to groups, all of that is simple one click in SmartPSS

Of course the biggest advantage of the newer NVRs is you can run your cameras at full bitrate and full FPS as you don't have the restrictions of BI ;)
 
Let’s talk about the mobile App…how’s the BI app?
 
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