Apologies if redundant Qs. 4k Alarm Cameras and SD Recording

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I did spend a few minutes searching but came up blank.

1. Are there known 4k "Alarm" cameras that work well with Blue Iris? We had a Swann system at a previous house. The Swann system could be configured to sound an Alarm for X number of seconds and flash an alert light with motion was detected in a certain area on the camera. Can Blue Iris do this? I know Swann cameras are no-go. Anyone aware of others that will work this way with Blue Iris?

2. Is it possible to record to on-board Camera MicroSD Card AND Blue Iris simultaneously? As a backup/failover in case the NVR is stolen or damaged in a break in or natural disaster.

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Yes, any security camera that has a Micro SD card can provide edge recording. The same can be recorded by a dedicated NVR .
 

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These are called active deterrence cameras. Most of that logic is within the camera itself, although some of that functionality can be set up within Blue Iris.

Avoid the 8MP active deterrence.

Chase sensor size, not MP.

Keep in mind that the active deterrence cameras are good as overview cameras, but will not IDENTIFY someone unless they are 10ish feet or so away, but that goes for any 2.8mm fixed lens camera. Do not think this camera is the be all, see all, do all.

The distance to be covered from the camera to the object location is the most important factor and more important than MP.

Most here record to the SD card on motion with Blue Iris. Many here experience issues trying to run 24/7 recording on the cameras. The CPUs just are not big and will end up stumbling. Some do it no problem.

You need to identify the areas you want to cover and pick a camera designed to cover that distance. In some instances, it may be a 2MP or 4MP that is the right camera. DO NOT CHASE MP!!!

It is why we recommend to purchase one good varifocal and test it at all the proposed locations day and night to figure out the correct focal lengths and cams.

A few other tips....It is simple LOL do not chase MP - do not buy a 4MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/1.8" sensor. Do not buy a 2MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/2.8" sensor. Do not buy a 4K (8MP) camera on anything smaller than a 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately, most 4k (8MP) cams are on the same sensor as a 2MP and thus the 2MP will kick its butt all night long as the 4k will need 4 times the light than the 2MP... 4k will do very poor at night unless you have stadium quality lighting (well a lot of lighting LOL).


That 3849 active deterrence camera is an 8MP on a 1/2.8" sensor, so it is on a horrible MP/sensor ratio. You cannot have enough light at night for it to perform well.

Even worse, this 8MP is on the same sensor and CPU as a 2MP non TIOC camera and there are many threads here showing how under-performing that 3849 is. They had to limit bitrate and other parameters on the 3849 to try to make it functional, and it just doesn't cut it.

In my opinion the 3849 should not be sold with that current MP/sensor and CPU combination, but alas everybody wants 4k and chases MP over sensor and this camera is the epitome of that thinking.

Further, the red/blue flashing lights are more gimmicky and are certainly not a deterrent. With any ambient light you won't see the red/blue flashing unless you are looking right at the camera.

If you want active deterrence, your best bet is to go with the 2MP IPC-T5241H-AS-PV that will blink the white light. This is on the ideal MP/sensor ratio and will perform comparably to any similar 2MP fixed lens camera by Dahua. I have two of them. I have some of the other active deterrence cams as well, and would opt for the 2MP in every instance except for indoor, one could go with the IPC-HDW3449HP-AS-PV that has the red/blue lights that will bounce off the walls and be much more impressive than outside.

Or go with a camera that has a built-in speaker. The lights simply do not scare intruders. Look at all the posts where a floodlight turns on and the perp doesn't even flinch...

Lot's of threads here where people showed how bad the 8MP camera is in performing:





 
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A few other tips....It is simple LOL do not chase MP - do not buy a 4MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/1.8" sensor. Do not buy a 2MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/2.8" sensor. Do not buy a 4K (8MP) camera on anything smaller than a 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately, most 4k (8MP) cams are on the same sensor as a 2MP and thus the 2MP will kick its butt all night long as the 4k will need 4 times the light than the 2MP... 4k will do very poor at night unless you have stadium quality lighting (well a lot of lighting LOL).
So what you're saying is...sensor size. LOL

As an amateur photographer this makes complete sense and somehow didn't even consider it. Excellent response. Thanks! Changing my search criteria now.

Do you have a good reference for sensor size, to understand the values? Is this any good? "CMOS 1/2.7” image sensor and 5MP resolution (2592x1944)"
 

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There is no good MP/sensor ratio on the market for 5MP. 5MP would need to be on a sensor larger than what is good for a 4MP (1.1.8")

1/2.8" for 2MP
1/1.8" for 4MP
1/1.2" for 8MP

If it isn't on that ratio, then don't get. So don't bother with 3MP, 5MP, or 6MP. Just 2, 4, or 8 on those sensor sizes.
 
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