Blue Iris OS Options

[spuls]

It currently looks as if the “strict” requirement for TPM 2.0 will be dropped. This would make many older devices an option again. Otherwise, you can book the ESU package for Windows 10 from the Pro version onwards. Then you can at least get security updates for ~$120 per year.

Another option would be virtualization, but then your host should be a bit more powerful.

 

[hapstabu]

It currently looks as if the “strict” requirement for TPM 2.0 will be dropped. This would make many older devices an option again. Otherwise, you can book the ESU package for Windows 10 from the Pro version onwards. Then you can at least get security updates for ~$120 per year.

Another option would be virtualization, but then your host should be a bit more powerful.

I'm glad that Microsoft released the information about dropping the strict requirements a couple of weeks after I bought a newer Intel box to run Blue Iris.
I guess I should have waited. The machine only cost about 200 dollars, though. (Refurbished ninth generation i5 CPU.)
And it's running Blue Iris and Code Project with about 3 to 6 percent CPU, compared to 35 to 40 percent with the old machine, so there's that.

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[Flintstone61]

cpu 9% GPU 3%

 

[Jake1979]

Maybe Bi 6 will support Linux....

 

[eyeball]

It currently looks as if the “strict” requirement for TPM 2.0 will be dropped. This would make many older devices an option again. Otherwise, you can book the ESU package for Windows 10 from the Pro version onwards. Then you can at least get security updates for ~$120 per year.

Another option would be virtualization, but then your host should be a bit more powerful.

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Microsoft has not officially dropped the TPM 2.0 requirement for Windows 11. As of the latest updates in December 2024, Microsoft continues to emphasize TPM 2.0 as a "non-negotiable" standard for Windows 11, particularly for security reasons, with senior product manager Steven Hosking reinforcing its necessity for features like Secure Boot and Windows Hello for Business.

There were reports in December 2024 suggesting Microsoft had loosened the TPM 2.0 requirement, allowing Windows 11 installation on systems without it. However, these claims were clarified as misleading. Microsoft updated its support page to warn against installing Windows 11 on unsupported hardware, stating that such systems may not receive updates, including security patches, and could face compatibility issues. The page does not indicate a removal of the TPM 2.0 requirement but rather highlights the risks of bypassing it.

Microsoft has also removed a previously published workaround for bypassing TPM 2.0 checks, indicating a stricter stance against unsupported installations. Despite this, unofficial workarounds like using tools such as Rufus or FlyBy11 still exist, though they come with risks like potential update blocks or system instability.

Recent posts on X reflect ongoing frustration with the TPM 2.0 requirement, with some users noting difficulties upgrading older systems and others confirming workarounds still function. However, these posts are anecdotal and not definitive evidence of policy changes.

In summary, TPM 2.0 remains a core requirement for official Windows 11 support, and Microsoft is doubling down on this for security purposes, especially with Windows 10 support ending in October 2025. Users with incompatible hardware can still force installations using workarounds, but Microsoft strongly discourages this, and such systems may not be fully supported.


All of that said, as @Flintstone61 posted, it's not that expensive (after all) to find a replacement machine with a TPM 2.0 module. It just the pain of transferring to it, etc. just to accommodate a questionable OS requirement.

At least MS is offering extended support for $30/year per machine. Or just do nothing like some have mentioned. Probably better not getting MS updates anyway like was mentioned.

Still, BI running on Linux would be a nice option, but may not be feasible.

Great discussion though, and extremely helpful. Thanks to everyone that chimed in.

 

[Gimmons]

Sorry to chime in kind of late, but I've been running W11 on older, non-tpm machines without a microsoft account for six months or so without problem. I used Rufus (Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way) to download the correct ISO and create a bootable usb stick, and told the Windows installer I didn't have an internet connection.

I recently tried to use it to install W11 on an hp elitedesk g4, and it refused to download the ISO. I just pulled the operating system ssd, put it in a different computer, installed W11 on it, and moved it back to the first computer.

Microsoft's weirdness about this is difficult to not to read as sinister. W11 clearly works just fine on older machines.

 

[tigerwillow1]

W11 clearly works just fine on older machines.

And that's the problem. People need to throw the old machines away and buy new ones. Fits right into Krugman's theory about breaking glass windows helping the economy. Helps fill up the landfills, too, as well as needing more mining and chemicals released into the atmosphere to make new chips.

 

[eyeball]

Sorry to chime in kind of late, but I've been running W11 on older, non-tpm machines without a microsoft account for six months or so without problem. I used Rufus (Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way) to download the correct ISO and create a bootable usb stick, and told the Windows installer I didn't have an internet connection.

I recently tried to use it to install W11 on an hp elitedesk g4, and it refused to download the ISO. I just pulled the operating system ssd, put it in a different computer, installed W11 on it, and moved it back to the first computer.

Microsoft's weirdness about this is difficult to not to read as sinister. W11 clearly works just fine on older machines.

Fascinating - are you getting updates, etc. as would be expected and do you notice anything that isn't working in W11? Any ill-effects from not having TPM 2.0?

btw, I agree 100% about MS's requirement for TPM 2.0 - it's as if they're intentionally trying to lose customers. Seems like it would be straightforward to provide a legitimate upgrade path for non-TPM 2.0 machines with enough horsepower. They could have made some kind of statement like the customer doesn't have these additional security features without TPM 2.0, or something like that. Instead, it's toss out your old 64Gb I7 and go buy a new one so you can run W11.

I may give your solution a go anyway, but frankly I'm leaning towards keeping W10. Not sure if I'll even bother to purchase the ESP for $30 either.

If it weren't for a couple of applications I need on Windows, I'd move to Linux mint or some other flavor. I have used Red Hat, Ubuntu, mint, etc. and they're all solid as far as that goes.

I also have thought about the exact issue that your comment highlights, @tigerwillow1 - it's a tragic waste of resources to sunset perfectly good hardware for no other reason than W11 "requires" some TPM module upgrade, and as you said, mountains of old hardware shipped to somewhere (China) to be disassembled for any usable materials, then burn the rest? All the crowing that is done by companies about carbon footprints, yet they do things that are completely counter to what they're preaching. Rules for thee but not for me.

 

[Gimmons]

Yes, it updates normally. Absolutely no strange behavior so far. I have it running on my BI machine among others.

I considered staying with W10 indefinitely, but the prospect of running an internet-connected computer without security patches frightened me. I saw a video about how fast a windows xp system gets hacked if exposed to the internet.

To your point about MS losing customers, I thought about migrating to Linux, and I actually am doing that generally, but until BI comes out with a Linux version, I can't leave completely. A lot of the computers I pick up have an embedded windows key, but if I were building a new computer, I wouldn't buy a windows license. Linux has gotten too good. There's no need for Windows, especially when Microsoft is getting so nosy about your data and clearly wants to move everything to a subscription model.