A bit late in visiting the site, but you are exactly correct fenderman. So, I guess I have a camera that I can try to resell on eBay. I am sure that hikvision makes fabulous cameras. They seem to be the most popular camera on this blog, and I assume most of you are professional installers. However, as per advice I've read on this forum, I am going to stick to one make, i.e., Dahua. BTW, I am just a humble homeowner in the process of changing over from my (now no longer manufactured nor supported) Logitech Security cameras. Anyway, I ordered an IPC-HD4300F-PT to experiment with. It is not a wide angle in that the field of view is just 73.5 degrees, but it does have pan and tilt. I will post how this works out.