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FYI- 95% of that commercial was NOT using the camera being promoted but professional video equipment instead....

The very short piece of video of the actual camera (5 seconds at :20-:25) was a noisy, blurry mess except for the last 2 seconds of him standing still, which I'm still not convinced was from the product video...
 
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Personally I liked Hikvisions Ad, Now OwlView for Uniview lol. OMG even with the new TECH it is worse lol.. Look at the vehicle going by the red delay of the brake lights tell the whole story from what I have seen of other videos it is very bad lol.. I would not be proud to show that as my offering to the world for the next best thing.. Looks bad. Even if the night to day looks good static. So many other issues with cars and light changes..
 
Some things come to mind watching these

1- obviously used cheap Chinese marketing firms or done in-house. Bad

2- they seem to be made for consumer marketing. Do they sell or brand directly to the Chinese consumer? If not who is the intended audience?

3- all about color night vision. But the Dahua and HiK are too ashamed to show much if any real footage from a camera instead using slick hi end video production . Leads me to believe we’re going to see more bright noisy video

At least Uniview used real camera footage.
 
My fears / questions looking at this are:

1. Higher numbers of led's hinting at reliance on supplemental lighting rather than improved CCD performance. I personally never want to run LED's at night due to expense & the fact they potentially wear out / go dim when run continuosly. Are the new cameras going to be great in low light or great only when the LED's are lit?

2. Mention of f1.0 when using it on the 4KT's resulted in a poor depth of field. A large sensor needs a smaller aperture for dof. Has this got f1.0 over a 1/1.2 again?

3. What about 1 inch sensors seen on some phones / action cameras? Why are we not seeing these on CCTV? Surely bigger is the way forward.

4. Bit rate or high levels of processing and compression - the 4kt picture quickly falls apart when you zoom in. Yes zoom destroys a picture by reducing pixel density but only a small zoom on the 4kt results in a very soft and grainy image. This makes a farce of having 8mp when the picture can't be zoomed into detail. Will these cameras address this? I see the highest resolution is still only 4k when on phone cameras 50mp is not uncommon. Yes chasing pixels isn't good for low light. But some now manage very good low light with the high pixel count and produce pictures that can be zoomed into for detail ressonably well. eg I believe some of the phones pair the pixels and reduce resolution to 25mp for better night time gathering.

On the processing front, why so much noise even in the day? Is this fixed on the new cameras? Is it selective processing concentrating on the centre? 4kt example shot with some issues:

You can see the issues here on my 4kt shot - noise & under exposure on the subject despite it being a bright day, (BLC is active) (gain 10, shutter 4ms). The background looks like one of those impressionist painting filters from a Photoshop Style Editor, especially more to the right hinting at huge compression and artefacts. Even the cars windscreen / roof has some blur despit being only a foot or two beyond the focal point:

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Personally, I'd like to see Dahua concentrate on using a CCD with much better light gathering (IMX585 maybe?), declaring in the specs what CCD's / chipsets etc they're using (it's no secret as rivals can simply buy a camera and reverse engineer it to see what's used), increasing pixel count (at least on the sensor if not the output as downscaling often results in a shaprer image anyway), giving us a picture of much higher quality that can be digitally zoomed for recognition when the subject turns out to be further away than the ideal focus point. If some of this conflicts with low storage space requirements, then just give different output options in the picture settings options so businesses with high numbers of cameras but limited storage can choose compromises towards files size and those with plentiful storage can choose no compromise pictures at the expense of disk space.

On the positive side I love the 4kt's low light ability. However, it doesn't make up for the other picture issues nor reliability (I just found my backyard camera offline again for no reason. Both go offline regularly and a power cut leads to all kinds of issues even discovering the cameras nevermind getting them to restart).

We'll have to wait and see, but I won't be rushing for cheque book quite yet.

I just wish Dahua had a member of their team who monitored these forums and would work with us all to get better CCTV for everyone whether it be huge corporations or householders. We're not looking for consumer features here, just the best picture / reliability which aligns with most business needs.

I'm hoping the new cameras address these needs but not feeling that hopeful on initial impressions.

Thsi written from the 1st couple of pages of the commentary / announcement only.
 
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Just watched this on the last page, more hope, but several things began to stand out when you got further into the video.

1. The sports field in Taiwan showed artefacts in the grass - I'm thinking again the compression doesn't like high levels of detail

2. The video from Korea and the one afterwards from the next location with the guy in the car park start to show very grainy subjects that are poorly defined hinting at very high gain / slow shutter speeds being used in these promotional videos to get the best effects

Maybe I'm being harsh here. The conditions looked very dark indeed and maybe with slightly more light, less gain and higher shutters, the issues will disappear and the picture be a significant advance on the 4kt's. I'm jiust going to sit back and wait personally though for it all to play out. It's more enjoyable being a guinea pig when you've not paid for it! I'll let others experiment and I'll just learn.
 
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Just watched this on the last page, more hope, but several things began to stand out when you got further into the video.

1. The sports field in Taiwan showed artefacts in the grass - I'm thinking again the compression doesn't like high levels of detail

2. The video from Korea and the one afterwards from the next location with the guy in the car park start to show very grainy subjects that are poorly defined hinting at very high gain / slow shutter speeds being used in these promotional videos to get the best effects

Maybe I'm being harsh here. The conditions looked very dark indeed and maybe with slightly more light, less gain and higher shutters, the issues will disappear and the picture be a significant advance on the 4kt's. I'm jiust going to sit back and wait personally though for it all to play out. It's more enjoyable being a guinea pig when you've not paid for it! I'll let others experiment and I'll just learn.

Please be aware that those demos shows locations without any form of lighting - only moon light...
iPhone in those conditions shows almost nothing, 5442 will show also almost black..

Normally in those conditions You will be able to use only IR/white&black..
WizColor moved the bar - You can record in color, but results are far from ideal...

I have many locations where 3449-PRO is inter mixed with 5442 (or 5849-A180 or 5449-ZE) in normal light conditions (street lights, around house lights etc).
TIOC-PRO (WizColor) always records better footage with better dynamic scene contrast (always HDR), colors & sharp details that any other Dahua cam with 1/1.8" sensor...
Yes, it can records also more noise or other problems if it is too dim...

For that situations TIOC-PRO for that have White lights, which can be activated for motion.

I like the Uniview demos - they show the true recordings with all flaws.
No some simulated footage created on PRO video equipment with 4-5 digit budget like both Dahua & HIK did...
Those Uniview demos allow to compare how technology has changed (they compare different generations of cctv cams).

Yes - it is not a level of PRO video cams (or PRO drones) with 48 Mpx (or more) resolutions, 1" (or more) sensors, 100-200 Mbit/s recording bandwith, 10 bit HDR S-Log recording and post production processing / color grading using dedicated video apps and latest video processing algorithms. But those PRO cams/drones (at many K USD price) are totally different market as 150 USD CCTV cam..

I very interested how next generation of 5442 will perform? it's 2 year old camera, so it should have next generation with WizColor / AI-ISP processing somewhere next year..
 


Watch the video in 4K!!


Today Insta360 released next generation of 360 camera called Insta360 X5..

For people not familiar with 360 cams, those have 2 sensors & fisheye lenses mounted on both sides of camera.
Each sensors / lenses records full 180 degree (vertical & horizontal) image - so camera with 2 sensors/lenses records full 360 degree around (in vertical & horizontal)...

Full 360 degrees sphere around cam...

Those 360 degree footage can bed reframed in Insta360 mobile / desktop app - you can zoom in into any direction. Or do many cool effects (video above)..
They are very popular as a sport camera, offering much more unique shots and features than "single flat lens cams" like Go Pro...

Those cams mostly are used on special "invisible" sticks, which can be even 3-4 meter long.
They aren't visible in video footage - so video looks like from drone which is around a person which holding the camera without showing the stick.

New models replaced old 8K 1/2" inch sensor with some new 8K 1/1.28" sensors. And they added two more (each for each sensor, three total) AI chips dedicated only for AI video processing workflow.
And new night mode called PureVideo, which is showed many times on YouTube demo above..

If the footage is real (from this sport camera and not some professional one), I must say progres done by increasing sensor size and use more AI chips dedicated only for video workflow is horrendous.
 
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the 4kt picture quickly falls apart when you zoom in.
I'm surprised to hear this. I don't have a 4k-t to compare, but I'm pretty happy with how the 3.6mm 4k-x catches details over 100' away.
 
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Loving the clarity. Would love to see this from CCTV. Unfortunately the bit rates are probably way too high. I'm guessing 100-200mbs making continuous 24/7 recording impracticable. I believe the camera itself has a 72mp CCD. The 72mp is either downscaled to 8K video or uses only part of the sensor or some pixels in conjuction with each other. I'm not sure of the mode of operation, but it kind of proves my point above that the right high pixel sensors can work for low light and downscaled video can be much better than native in appearances.
 
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I'm surprised to hear this. I don't have a 4k-t to compare, but I'm pretty happy with how the 3.6mm 4k-x catches details over 100' away.

I think the X varient has a better lens and maybe different processing due to the larger housing, or maybe I just got bad ones, Either way, mine are good in low light but disappointingly soft in the day, lack dof, useless at background capture (at least when using BLC) and lack reliability and react badly to having power withdrawn. That might sound pretty damning. They're probably way better than they sound when the flaws are put on paper. But low light aside, I think the current 5442's kill them in the day. Just have to hope the new cameras are a step up at addressing the issues.
 
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Loving the clarity. Would love to see this from CCTV. Unfortunately the bit rates are probably way too high. I'm guessing 100-200mbs making continuous 24/7 recording impracticable. I believe the camera itself has a 72mp CCD. The 72mp is either downscaled to 8K video or uses only part of the sensor or some pixels in conjuction with each other. I'm not sure of the mode of operation, but it kind of proves my point above that the right high pixel sensors can work for low light and downscaled video can be much better than native in appearances.

Insta360 use sport cameras 1/1.28" sensors (4:3 format) with 8K * 6K (48Mpx) resolution each. But due fact that this is fisheye (circle in 1:1 ratio), only some pixel are used...
72Mpx (double 36Mpx) is actual resolution from both sensors which can be used in photo mode..

in Video mode this is downscaled to two frames 4K (so in theory it 8K on wide side - 8K * 2K).

From my perspective interesting is that more and more AI processing is put in camera video processing pipelines to overcome sensor limits. AI can remove noise, do dynamic in-frame contrast / gamma / HDR management and increase sharpness / details.
 
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