False car alarms.

Apr 2, 2024
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Hello I would like to ask you about a car that gives me false alarms several times a day while stationary but the SMD evaluates it as movement. Do I send both the object and the camera setup or is IVS better ? Or AI by NVR is better?
Camera: IPC-HFW2849S-S-IL-0280b
NVR: NVR4108HS-8P-EI
 

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IVS is generally far better than SMD
Suggest using h.264h not h.265
 
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I changed the SMD to IVS but when I let it appear it did false alarm again in the evening but when I put the cross it didn't catch any movement. I am sending as I have it set. Or could it be that this camera doesn't have good AI?
 

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When you say it did false alarm, what did it do? Send you an email? A push message? what?

You should nto run SMD AND IVS at the same time. Turn SMD/MD OFF

The top pictures showing yellow box arounf vehickle are Not alarms. They are simply identifying objects that fit the filter for Vehicle. It does that. An actual alarm would trigger an email push alert etc.
 
IVs identifying 12 targets for "Vehicle" filter, but NO alarm/alert

IVS-displaying-targets.jpg
 
When you say it did false alarm, what did it do? Send you an email? A push message? what?

You should nto run SMD AND IVS at the same time. Turn SMD/MD OFF

The top pictures showing yellow box arounf vehickle are Not alarms. They are simply identifying objects that fit the filter for Vehicle. It does that. An actual alarm would trigger an email push alert etc.
Notification in AI Search-> IVS web interface
SMD is turn off.
 

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Yeah IVS shouldn’t do that. I can see how “appear” might once. But “Cross” shouldn’t and that would be best. Cross only

Have you turned off MD and SMD and tried with just IVS by itself?
 
It is best to make them in the camera GUI as the NVR pulls from the camera, so it may still be enabled in the camera.
 
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I changed the SMD to IVS but when I let it appear it did false alarm again in the evening but when I put the cross it didn't catch any movement. I am sending as I have it set. Or could it be that this camera doesn't have good AI?
Yeah, sometimes switching from SMD to IVS feels like it should solve everything, but in reality, some cameras just don’t have the AI power to handle complex movement patterns—especially at night. I had a similar issue with false triggers during a trip, and honestly, I just stopped stressing over tech for a bit. That’s actually when I tried Renting a Porsche in Dubai random, I know, but it was a solid reset. Focusing on the ride instead of the glitches was the break I didn’t know I needed. Sometimes you just need a smooth drive to clear your head before troubleshooting again.
 
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I changed the SMD to IVS but when I let it appear it did false alarm again in the evening but when I put the cross it didn't catch any movement. I am sending as I have it set. Or could it be that this camera doesn't have good AI?

His 3rd pic shows clearly he still had MD on.
 
What is really interesting is using a Lite NVR and a 8mp camera in an area that is over sized for the cameras best area of interest.. That area needs at least 3 cameras if not 4 with 1 being a Quality PTZ if you want to be able to keep an eye on that.. 1 Ai camera with small sensor with high MP then turned down to 6mp to try and compensate isn't the way to go. If I was to setup a yard that is clearly over 100' by 60' I would have the best 4mp cameras with quality 1/1.8in sensor f/1.0 and pair them to a NVR that will work higher power Ai ability and quality 2 or 4mp PTZ camera to keep an eye on things after the spotter cameras captured the events.. Then the way the IVS was setup may not trigger anything at night because that camera is clearly to far from the gate or building. In that setup the camera would have best capture ability with that Tripwire from the left side of the scene..

Just my 2 cents and from what others say isn't worth much LOL..

Edit: Then to expand a little seeing they are dealing with Car Alarms that seems to be going off for no reason as I get it from the Thread Title? Motion detection should for sure be ON!!!!!
 
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I don’t disagree on coverage, but that wasn’t his question 8 months ago.

He was complaining he was getting false alerts from IVS intrusion and shows a pic with it happening.

I still think he had SMD/MD enabled on the camera as he’s working in the NVR interface and SMD/MD was causing his false alerts
 
To be honest, I am not sure why they were trying to setup IVS for Vehicles anyway. Then as you pointed out having it appear isn't a good idea when the area to be protected is covered in vehicles lol.. Now it might be that the camera detects the vehicle in appear after maybe an Alarm has gone off on the car? Because as pointed out it might detect once then seeing it knows it is there shouldn't detect it again until say the blinkers or lights turn on. Then it would notice that there was something different and appear could trigger again. Also would more then likely trigger on a Change from B/W to Color because all the cars would have changed the last known detected state on the appear..

So I know it isn't me, But if it was me, I would have IVS setup with Human detection, I would setup the cameras with a good area of detection of a person coming to the line for crossing with the Ai rule setup as cross. Then it could see the person know they were outside the line and clearly crossed it so event triggers.. If an Intrusion box is to wide to the detection scene the action of someone moving into the box might be missed, then everything they do isn't triggered and recorded. However having the ability to clearly see the human outside of that box it will false less then if setup with appear.. But if there is no clear line to cross only option is that could work is appear and that detection area they could already be 2 or 3 cars in before that camera where placed would detect appear for sure at night.. Wrong camera for the scene..

How I would setup, Intrusion or Tripwire acting as a box with clear outside area of view and in this case might do as I see so many others do zigzag the intrusion inside. But not needed if there is a clear line of sight from outside of the box.. Setup for Humans and for sure where that open area on left, have a single line that runs from top area where that building is down to end of site with human and vehicle so anything that crosses that clear line would trigger an event.. Then because I am guessing Car alarms going off can do so for many different reasons. I would also have motion enabled and in this case using after the fact filtering with playback to see what might have been missed by Ai IVS.. Only things that should be missed is because the intrusion or tripwire wasn't setup correctly to start with and a human made it past the line without triggering it again because in the current setup there is no clear outside area for the camera to know it has crossed the line until it is more then likely to late and never trigger the event to start with..

I don't know if they might have had Scene change enabled if that was an option for their camera or NVR setup. Don't have picture of the event or video of what was going on before or after the triggered event so can only guess and try to offer some ideas of what I might do to help correct so others that might read having same kind of issues might understand how someone could setup the scene for better detection.

I am human and I make mistakes.. It is what I do with those mistakes that can make me a better person..
 
No idea we didnt get that far.
 
I changed the SMD to IVS but when I let it appear it did false alarm again in the evening but when I put the cross it didn't catch any movement. I am sending as I have it set. Or could it be that this camera doesn't have good AI?
It might be a sensitivity or region setup issue in IVS. Try adjusting the detection area and threshold levels. Some cameras also struggle in low light even with AI