Getting started with security: BNC vs PoE and NVR vs BI

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Hey All, I'm wanting to start with a simple 2-camera setup and add more cameras as I need them. I figure a max of 8 (6 outside, 2 inside) would do me just fine in the long run, and I'm leaning more towards PoE as I like the idea of running power and data on the same cable. I know they sell siamese BNC but running a single ethernet cable just seems easier! Plus, I'm more familiar with setup/config of ethernet-connected devices and switches. I don't have any experience with BNC.

My next question is around NVR vs BI. I have been looking at a used 8ch. 2 GB NVR, but I do have an old PC laying around, it's an i5-6k with 8GB RAM 2 TB HD and built-in networking running W10. Would this, with a PoE switch, be a good option vs. an NVR? I realize I can marry the NVR to my extra PC, but wondering what the benefits of running both the NVR and the PC would be. I want 24/7 always-on and motion clips highlighted as well. NVR seems to be the simpler option, assuming I get one with a good software interface.

Cams: I'm looking at 1080p, don't feel like I need 4k or better.

Appreciate your advice and feedback!
 
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The three basic rules of video surveillance cameras-

Rule #1 - Cameras multiply like rabbits.
Rule #2 - Cameras are more addictive than drugs.
Rule #3 - You never have enough cameras.

You need to read the material in the Wiki, in the blue bar at the top of the page on a real computer, not a smartphone or tablet. I though two cameras would work for me when I started about four years ago. Look at my sig line for a current listing. There is a choosing hardware guide along with hardware recommendations for cameras and network gear. The cameras mentioned are a generation to two generations old at this point but the principals still apply. Pay close attention to the securing your network section as well. Cameras, no matter who makes them, are notorious for security holes and exploits.

Use only solid copper, not CCA (copper clad aluminum) cable. Use 568B wiring code for their termination. Get an inexpensive tester to at least verify continuity of the conductors and a better one, if you have the spare money, that can follow pairs and determine length along with other neat little features. The general recommendation is that if you think you want one camera at a location pull a spare. Always pull a spare because it's almost inevitable that you'll end up adding cameras.

An NVR has limitations that BI does not. With an NVR to get the most out of the system you need to buy cameras made by the same manufacturer. An NVR is nothing more than a dumbed down computer with limited capacity. They have limited bandwidth capacity which limits how many cameras at every resolution. An eight port NVR will only support eight cameras, period, end of story, no matter what the bandwidth capability it may have. With BI you can use just about any manufacturer's cameras as long as they are ONVIF compliant or have an open RTSP stream. BI is limited to 64 cameras but has no bandwidth limitations other than the limitation of the network it is attached to. BI has come a long, long, way over the last two years. It now includes AI, DeepStack, integration and can utilize sub streams. Utilizing sub streams makes it possible to use older hardware since the CPU is no longer burdened with analyzing full resolution to detect motion.

Quick guide -

The smaller the lux number the better the low light performance. 0.002 is better than 0.02
The smaller the "F" of the lens the better the low light performance. F1.4 is better than F1.8
The larger the sensor the better the low light performance. 1/1.8" is better (bigger) than 1/2.7"
The higher the megapixels for the same size sensor the worse the low light performance. A 4MP camera with a 1/1.8" sensor will perform better than a 8MP camera with that same 1/1.8" sensor.

720P - 1/3" = .333"
2MP - 1/2.8" = .357" (think a .38 caliber bullet)
4MP - 1/1.8" = .555" (bigger than a .50 caliber bullet or ball)
8MP - 1/1.2" = .833" (bigger than a 20mm chain gun round)

Here are a couple of the most popular and well performing 2MP cameras to have a look at. These are both varifocal which eliminates the guesswork of choosing a fixed lens focal length. You also need to determine if you just want to see what happened or if you want to be able to identify who did what. Broad, sweeping views look good but are useless when it comes to being able to identify who did something.

2231 Review
Review-OEM IPC-T2231RP-ZS 2mp Varifocal Turret Starlight Camera

3241T-ZAS Review
 
Thanks for the detailed reply! I'll check the FAQ. So, I get a PoE switch with 16 ports (e.g., a used NetGear or similar), I could run cat5/6 as many cameras as I have powered ports and run a single Cat5/6 cable from the switch to a NIC on my PC running BI, correct? Eliminating the NVR would be desirable. I get that it's a computer in a box, but I prefer to work on a PC.

Also: do you have a recommended PoE switch?
 
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Thanks for the detailed reply! I'll check the FAQ. So, I get a PoE switch with 16 ports (e.g., a used NetGear or similar), I could run cat5/6 as many cameras as I have powered ports and run a single Cat5/6 cable from the switch to a NIC on my PC running BI, correct? Eliminating the NVR would be desirable. I get that it's a computer in a box, but I prefer to work on a PC.

Also: do you have a recommended PoE switch?
Yes
I have had good luck with Netgear Prosafe switchs the past 20 yrs.
Again, be sure to study this: Cliff Notes
These switchs are also good: IPCamPower POE Switch (4, 8, 16 & 24-port) - IP Cam Talk Store
 
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I'm running two IPCamPower 16 port switches. They have "real" power supplies and seem to be quite robust. The Netgear ProSafe are great too. The biggest decision is whether to get a managed switch or an unmanaged switch. If you're using a second NIC for the camera network, great for securing the cameras from the internet, there's really no need for a managed switch unless you want to know how much power each camera consumes.
 
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