Great camera for long distance at night?

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My budget for a 32 camera system is only about $6,000-$8,000 without install.

i was going to buy a Lorex business grade 32 channel system with motion light, siren, voice recording, etc. I may need to buy 2 systems for enough coverage.

I’m seeing on here that I should NOT choose a 4k system if my primary goal is night recording. Maybe a 2k system with the 1/1.8”?? I’d like to have the siren and light for theft deterring.

My storage facility is really big, 7 acres.

Is there a Lorex kit you’d recommend, or do I have to piece this together?
 

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My budget for a 32 camera system is only about $6,000-$8,000 without install.

i was going to buy a Lorex business grade 32 channel system with motion light, siren, voice recording, etc. I may need to buy 2 systems for enough coverage.

I’m seeing on here that I should NOT choose a 4k system if my primary goal is night recording. Maybe a 2k system with the 1/1.8”?? I’d like to have the siren and light for theft deterring.

My storage facility is really big, 7 acres.

Is there a Lorex kit you’d recommend, or do I have to piece this together?
Do NOT buy Lorex or big box "systems".
They are advertisement (misleading features) driven with ridiculous mark-up...after the purchase and install, you will find yourself needing to spend more money for better camera's that do what you want because the ones they offer will be crap in low light conditions and if you do the max settings, you will likely over tax your recording systems they will provide...they also remove a lot of the USEFUL advanced features in their re-branded software.
Depending on what you are looking for, you can get better cameras, more cameras, and a better recording unit (whether you go NVR or BlueIris) at a fraction of the price.

@EMPIRETECANDY Has a lot of good equipment and offers great support both pre and post sales.

I definitely recommend you do research here before you buy or you'll find yourself parting with that money quickly and be left with equipment that does not suit your needs.

I don't have starter links bookmarked, but I'm sure someone else will post some good ones for you in this thread shortly.
 

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You DO NOT want a big box store kit of cameras. They are usually all on fixed lens 2.8mm or 3.6mm lens and will not help you at any distance.

You need to identify the areas you want to cover and pick a camera designed to cover that distance. In some instances, it may be a 2MP or 4MP that is the right camera. Based on what you are showing, unless you mount lower, fixed cams will only be good overview points but not IDENTIFY capable.

A few other tips....It is simple LOL do not chase MP - do not buy a 4MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/1.8" sensor. Do not buy a 2MP camera that is anything smaller than a 1/2.8" sensor. Do not buy a 4K (8MP) camera on anything smaller than a 1/1.2" sensor. Unfortunately, most 4k (8MP) cams are on the same sensor as a 2MP and thus the 2MP will kick its butt all night long as the 4k will need 4 times the light than the 2MP... 4k will do very poor at night unless you have stadium quality lighting (well a lot of lighting LOL). Starlight, ColorVu, Full Color, etc. are simply marketing terms, so don't be sold on those names.

While we are at it, let's make sure you get the right camera...

To identify someone with the wide-angle 2.8mm lens that most people opt for, someone would have to be within 13 feet of the camera, but realistically within 10 feet after you dial it in to your settings.

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The higher the camera is placed, the more OPTICAL zoom is needed to "flatten the angle". My PTZ on the 2nd floor gives me a great level shot of someone 200 feet away because that distance helps to flatten the angle. With a fixed cam lens, you get what you get.

For example, if you place a camera that high up that looks roughly 25-30 feet up and someone stands 1 foot away from your house, all you will see is the top of their head, even though according to charts and calculators you should be able to IDENTIFY from that distance. The distances in the chart are assuming the cameras are placed at head height. All of the IDENTIFY distance was lost in the vertical.

It is why we recommend to purchase one good varifocal and test it at all the proposed locations day and night to figure out the correct focal lengths and cams.

My neighbor was bragging to me how he only needed his four 2.8mm fixed lens 4k cams to see his entire property and the street and his whole backyard. His car was sitting in the driveway practically touching the garage door and his video quality was useless to ID the perp not even 10 feet away. Meanwhile my 2MP varifocal optically zoomed 60 feet away to the public sidewalk provided the money shot to the police to get my neighbors all their stuff back. Nobody else had video that could provide anything useful, other than what time this motion blur ghost was at their car.

Here are my general distance recommendations, but switch out the Dahua 5442 series camera to the equivalent 2MP on the 1/2.8" sensor or equivalent Hikvision works as well. These cameras meet all your requirements.
  • 5442 fixed lens 2.8mm - anything within 10 feet of camera OR as an overview camera
  • 5442 ZE - varifocal - distances up to 40-50 feet (personally I wouldn't go past the 30 foot range but I like things closer)
  • 5442 Z4E - anything up to 80-100 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 60 feet but I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - anything from 80 feet to almost 200 feet (personally I wouldn't go past 150 feet because I like things closer)
  • 5241-Z12E - for a license plate cam that you would angle up the street to get plates up to about 175 feet away, or up to 220 with additional IR.
  • 49225 PTZ - great auto-track PTZ and in conjunction with an NVR or Blue Iris and the cameras above that you can use as spotter cams to point the PTZ to the correct location to compliment the fixed cams.
You need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A wide angle 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who.

One camera cannot be the be all, see all. Each one is selected for covering a specific area. Most of us here have different brands and types, from fixed cams, to varifocals, to PTZs, each one selected for it's primary purpose and to utilize the strength of that particular camera.

So you will need to identify the distance the camera would be from the activities you want to IDENTIFY on and purchase the correct camera for that distance as an optical zoom.

If you want to see things far away, you need optical zoom, digital zoom only works in the movies and TV...And the optical zoom is done real time - for a varifocal it is a set it and forget it. You cannot go to recorded video and optically zoom in later, at that point it is digital zoom, and the sensors on these cameras are so small which is why digital zoom doesn't work very well after the fact.

Main keys are you can't locate the camera too high (not on the 2nd story or above 7 feet high unless it is for overview and not Identification purposes unless it is a PTZ or varifocal that can "flatten the angle by optically zooming further out) or chase MP and you need to get the correct camera for the area trying to be covered. A 2.8mm to IDENTIFY someone 40 feet away is the wrong camera regardless of how good the camera is. A 2.8mm camera to IDENTIFY someone within 10 feet is a good choice OR it is an overview camera to see something happened but not be able to identify who. Also, do not chase marketing phrases like ColorVu and Starlight and Full Color and the like - all cameras need light - simple physics...

We recommend a purchase of one good varifocal and test it at all the proposed locations day and night to figure out the correct focal lengths and cams.


A trusted vendor here is Andy @EMPIRETECANDY that sells Dahua and Hikvision OEM cameras.

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EDIT - I reread your OP and realized it is a 7 acre storage facility, not 7 acres of private land. So this next paragraph may not be as relevant, but the rest of the post is still relevant. ORIGINAL PARAGRAPH: Ultimately I think you are going to need to use combination of "normal" fixed placement cameras (like the Dahua 5442 series that we all love here) and some powerful PTZ cameras (probably 25x zoom or greater). The normal cameras can provide identifiable coverage close in to the buildings where they are located as well as provide "spotter" coverage for the PTZ cameras. This means the PTZ camera can automatically zoom in on any movement that is picked up by the normal cameras. This combination can provide a method to get usable identifiable footage even long distances from the cameras (even hundreds of yards) without having to have 32 or 64 fixed cameras trying to cover every square foot of the property. You'll get better coverage with fewer cameras this way.

I suggest using the IPVM Camera Calculator site to pull up your actual property and start overlaying cameras onto it paying close attention to the identify vs observe distances that show on the camera coverage overlay. You can select from a huge selection of cameras to find the ones that will work for you and your situation.

Of course determining your camera's field of view coverage is just one part of the solution. You will also need to pay close attention to the sensor size and resolution if you want to get good quality low light performance. FYI - field of view coverage will also change with the sensor size even if the focal length stays the same, so be sure to "retest" coverage models on the calculator when you change camera models.
 
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Thanks for all the information, I will have to read through this all very carefully tomorrow when I’m back in town.
 
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