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Guy casing house sees cam, and decides to move on.

motoolfan

Getting the hang of it

Not my video, came across it while browsing the internet.
 

bababouy

Known around here
I'm not sure why he had to put his ear to the door... or why he would stare at the cameras. When I was in retail loss prevention, we would see some one look up at the cameras in the ceiling and we would immediately know that we had a shoplifter.
 

hmjgriffon

Known around here
I'm not sure why he had to put his ear to the door... or why he would stare at the cameras. When I was in retail loss prevention, we would see some one look up at the cameras in the ceiling and we would immediately know that we had a shoplifter.
Wow, that's pretty fucked up, I look at cameras all the time in the store and I'm not a shop lifter, good to know the rent a cops are watching me though. :)
 

Jack B Nimble

Pulling my weight
They just look at cameras so they can walk to an aisle that has no camera. Up here if you lose sight at any time then you cannot arrest.
 

looney2ns

IPCT Contributor
Wow, that's pretty fucked up, I look at cameras all the time in the store and I'm not a shop lifter, good to know the rent a cops are watching me though. :)

Same here, I'm bored shopping with my wife, so I look at cameras, see how they've installed them, maybe see the brand, etc. After some still's appeared on the news with face level shots of shop lifters, I checked out to see where Wally world was mounting those cams. Someone got a nice close up of my mug. ;)
 

nayr

IPCT Contributor
cant tell you how many times I been profiled by Shopping security.. long haired hippies cant afford that, follow him! even though I make more money than anyone working for a retail giant.

one time I was at CircuitCity comparing two flash cards by spending the time to read the packaging and making a decision.. Apparently took too much time, put the other back on the shelf and then strolled around the store to see if any new games or car stereo equipment could make me spend more money.. suddenly every employee was very helpfull and asking me if I needed anything, told em no I had what I came for and was just browsing..

When I bought the flash card, I noticed the clerk went out of his way to put it in the bag w/out getting it near the security magnet neutralizer.. ah fuck, he handed me my bag and of course as I walked out the door the alarm went off and before I could blink there was 2 guards at my shoulder asking me to empty my coat and pockets.. After getting searched they asked me where the other card was and I told em I put it back on the shelf.. they handed me my bag and recipt and I went right to the returns desk, got my money back and never stepped foot in a CircuitCity again.. good riddens, was happy to see em go out of business.. Dont treat nerdy neckbeards like thief's when they are the ones with the biggest electronics budgets.
 

tangent

IPCT Contributor
Circuit City was a pretty shitty shopping experience for sure, but I never saw anything quite that bad. Any time I think a clerk misses a security tag I usually call them on it, but it usually seems accidental/careless. For a couple years they had a promotion where if you ordered online and your order wasn't ready in some about of time they'd give a $20 giftcard. I got over $100 in free stuff as a result because orders were never ready, but sometimes they were sooo slow $20 wasn't enough compensation for the wait time in-store. Remember how you could change a couple settings on old nokia phones to make them set off store security sensors lol.

Most people are blissfully unaware of the sorts of things a lot of major retailers are doing to surveil their customers these days with cameras and other tools. It's actually getting pretty creepy and Orwellian, many actually use facial recognition (often just a db of employees and suspected/known shoplifters). A few years ago I was looking at tablets at best buy and one of the things I wanted to evaluate was the build quality and size and weight. That was made pretty difficult by security devices the size of your fist glued to every tablet and having the audacity to pick up a number of tablets and wonder how much of the weight was the tablet and how much was the fist sized security device attracted the ire of one of their sales prevention personnel. She was so rude I shook a few trees until someone decided she probably shouldn't be a part of the lp team or needed 'retraining'.

Then there are stores like home depot that do some stupid and irritating things. I understand that areas like the tool isle could be pretty lossy locations, but people are also likely to spend a fair amount of time there if they're deciding between expensive tools. I think the displays they have with built in cameras a bright white flashing light and a ding-dong sound every 5 seconds, do more to chase away customers than prevent theft because people don't want to stand there and compare things while it's squawking at them. Also ironic they generally aren't even recording the video from these (some could have micro sd cards in them).
 

Fastb

Known around here
Retail Security;

One store had the security officce located in the hallway that led to the restrooms.
While waiting for my wife, I looked though the picture window into the security office.
2 or 3 guys were looking at video screens. Each was watching someone different.
As the customer moved about, security switched the view from camera to camera, and controlled the PTZ cams.
There was a large black woman shopping, and moving through the department, looking at baseball caps.
My thoughts:
a) This is interesting. Letting customers see the security people working the cameras must reduce shoplifting...
b) Those baseball caps aren't expensive items. Shouldn't "loss prevention" be trying to reduce "lo$$es", meaning shouldn't they be looking at expensive stuff in the jewelry dept, tools, music, perfume, etc?
c) If that woman was better dressed, or white, would they be scrutinizing her as closely?
d) Damn, that looks like a boring job!

Most people are blissfully unaware of the sorts of things a lot of major retailers are doing to surveil their customers these days with cameras and other tools.
Las Vegas Casinos are light years ahead of Retail. I remember a work meeting with folks who worked for Steve Wynn. (Belagio, Treasure Island, The Mirage, and many more)

They use FD, and didn't share all the details.
a) FD used to identify the "Whales" (well heeled customers). When gets out of their limo at the door to the Casino, FD helps recognize this very important customer. Someone would rush out and say "It's good to see you, Mr Warbucks. Here's your room key, we'll carry up your bags. No need to check in. And here are chips, you can head straight to the gaming floor"
b) Gambling commission is strict about who Casinos let on the gaming floor. Known criminals must not be allowed to gamble, or the Casino has problems w/ the gaming commission.
c) The casino wants to identify people known to be cheats, car counters, or people who have been ejected before.
d) FD of employees. If an employee was not in the proper area, the system would alert.

Fastb
 

nayr

IPCT Contributor
hah, nice one @Fastb

yeah i usually remind clerks to deactivate the security tag too; thats why when the clerk made purposeful gestures to keep it as far away from the surface as possible I knew he wanted me to trigger the alarm.

I stopped buying shit from box stores when I ran to WallMart to buy a cheap set of speakers to replace blown ones before a trip.. I tried to be clever and exit out the Lawn and Garden section because I hate lines; well long story short took em 20mins to remove the security cable from the package and the clerk just laughs and tells me it never stops em they find thes cut and laying in isles all the times.. they have the tools in the store to disable em.

I buy everything online now days, no lines, no security, no stinkeye, no annoying clerks that bother you all day long when you dont need help then vanish when you do.. There's a curse on my family, anyone with my blood gets into a line and it will automatically become the longest one.. Seriously, I can go into a big store before xmas when they have 25 isles open, look at the last person in each line.. and every single one of them will be in there car and driving home before I get my wallet out.
 

tangent

IPCT Contributor
I've lost count how many times I've had to teach the store employees how to remove spider wraps and open those plastic security boxes. Lawn and garden dept probably doesn't even have the tool because it's too easy for 'customers' to help themselves.
 

looney2ns

IPCT Contributor
Walmart as a whole is a complete train wreck. :)

Circuit City, ugh what a bunch of jokers they were, as far as training employees. Way back in the Dark Ages when the Replaytv dvr first hit the stores, I went into my local Circuit City to see one, they were the first ones to have them. They had been out probably for a couple of months and I was really interested in buying one.

A couple of sales clerks wandered by while I was looking at it, I asked more than one sales clerk a few questions about it that I already knew the answers to. They didn't have a clue what it was or what it did. Circuit City was a pitiful place.
 

nayr

IPCT Contributor
If your security just inconveniences paying customers and does virtually nothing to prevent theft.. whats the fucking point of punishing your customers?

got another story once of buying a couple 12 packs of Pepsi and carrying em out the door, old greeter lady made me sit it all down and show her my receipt; while I'm digging through my pockets and realizing the clerk never gave me the damn thing a woman pushes an empty cart up to the door with a full length trench coat on a warm day, old lady asked her to show receipt and she said: "what receipt, id didnt buy shit!" and kept on walking out the door with god knows what stuffed into her coat.

I had to go back to the clerk and demand my recipt, which she still had on the printer and then I wadded it up in a ball and threw it at the old greeter lady as I grabed my pepsi and left with a storm cloud brewing over my head.
 

tangent

IPCT Contributor
If your security just inconveniences paying customers and does virtually nothing to prevent theft.. whats the fucking point of punishing your customers?

got another story once of buying a couple 12 packs of Pepsi and carrying em out the door, old greeter lady made me sit it all down and show her my receipt; while I'm digging through my pockets and realizing the clerk never gave me the damn thing a woman pushes an empty cart up to the door with a full length trench coat on a warm day, old lady asked her to show receipt and she said: "what receipt, id didnt buy shit!" and kept on walking out the door with god knows what stuffed into her coat.

I had to go back to the clerk and demand my recipt, which she still had on the printer and then I wadded it up in a ball and threw it at the old greeter lady as I grabed my pepsi and left.
12packs of soda on the bottom of shopping carts are actually the item with the most slip at a lot of stores. Somewhat hard to draw the line between deliberate theft and employees/customers forgetting it's down there. Go to a shitty hood and the carts don't have the bottom shelf at all. I usually ignore beeping security sensors at stores and greeters except at sams/costco where you can't.

The news stories of walmart employees stealing tv's right through the front door are always good for a laugh.
 

nayr

IPCT Contributor
I didnt have a cart was the problem I think, I just had a 12 pack in each hand.. I know they look for people without bagged merchandise, but seriously.. how u fit 12 packs into plastic grocery sacks.

now I always make sure I have a receipt in my hand and visible as I walk out the door just to give the bouncer a lil less thinking to do.
 
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