Help with proper BI Setup on New Hardware.

[Bluediamond]

So as the title suggests I have been using BI w Sentry AI for about 6yrs now and still don't understand the software and all its functionality. I know, with how long I have had this Software i should at least be a Novice but I'm not. I recently upgraded the Computer the software was ran on to a much more beefier setup i moved from ani7-6700 @ 3.4Ghz with 8Gigs of RAM and 10Tb of Space to a now Intel(R) Xeon(R) W-2104 CPU, 80gb of RAM and 40TB of storage and i through in a NVIDIA GTX 1080 in here I had laying around. So before making the swap I backed up the configurations of the software and then moved my key and imported my configurations. Unfortunately I thought my performance would keep the system steady or be even better than before but it's worse anything i do on the system spikes the CPU to 99% sometime reaching 100% I know it just needs some tweaking and could use some BI experts to assist it's been a long time since I messed with any of these setting that includes the cameras themselves. Would some one be willing to assist me in getting this system to make BI shine.

Thanks In Advance, here are some screen shots of current drives and BI settings on current cameras:
HARDWARE:
x2 IPC-HDW5231R-ZE
X3 IPC-HDW4831EM-ASE

Note: I know camera settings also play a big factor in performance so we can look at those as well.

 

[Bruce_H]

I am no expert but here are my observation on what you posted. Are you actually using the Ai ALPR module to capture license plates on that camera, if not uncheck it to see if that has any affect. Does that camera have audio; you have audio and detect loss of audio checked, if the camera has no audio this would probably create a problem. Is direct to disk selected in the camera settings?

 

[looney2ns]

First off, the Xenon processors are nothing special, and that one is limited with cores and threads of only 4 each. But I'm sure it makes a great power hog space heater.

Make certain you have performed every step outlined HERE.
Pay special attention to the proper way to exclude BI from any AntiVirus, including windows Defender, as outlined in the Blue Iris help file.

Be sure you are using substreams as outlined HERE

Did you perform a clean fresh install of Windows by using the MS Media Creation tool available HERE before installing Blue Iris?

Most likely a $150 refurbed machine with an i5-8500 or newer processor would run circles around the Xenon, at a much lower energy cost.

 

[wittaj]

First off, the Xenon processors are nothing special, and that one is limited with cores and threads of only 4 each. But I'm sure it makes a great power hog space heater.

Make certain you have performed every step outlined HERE.
Pay special attention to the proper way to exclude BI from any AntiVirus, including windows Defender, as outlined in the Blue Iris help file.

Be sure you are using substreams as outlined HERE

Did you perform a clean fresh install of Windows by using the MS Media Creation tool available HERE before installing Blue Iris?

Most likely a $150 refurbed machine with an i5-8500 or newer processor would run circles around the Xenon, at a much lower energy cost.

Not only that, the Xeon has a lower benchmark than the computer he moved from.

 

[gdogvm]

@Bluediamond
I noticed your camera settings windows doesn't show the camera using sub-stream and it has a 'receive buffer bottleneck' warning. The buffer is under the camera settings video tab, then the 'Configure' button to the right of the IP address. If you are using substreams, then it will show that substream in the general tab:


I'm running an i5-8500 with 10 cameras and CPU probably averages 10-30%, and I'll be adding another 7 cameras in the next week.

 

[Bluediamond]

Not only that, the Xeon has a lower benchmark than the computer he moved from.

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The machine was free and more modern than the older one. I could no longer get Win 11 on the older machine.

 

[wittaj]

If the newer one is slower and crapping out is it worth it....

As long as you don't use the computer for anything else, Win10 is fine.

It is still way more secure than an NVR that got maybe 3 updates over its life and has no anti-virus protection on it.

 

[Bluediamond]

@Bluediamond
I noticed your camera settings windows doesn't show the camera using sub-stream and it has a 'receive buffer bottleneck' warning. The buffer is under the camera settings video tab, then the 'Configure' button to the right of the IP address. If you are using substreams, then it will show that substream in the general tab:
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I'm running an i5-8500 with 10 cameras and CPU probably averages 10-30%, and I'll be adding another 7 cameras in the next week.

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Looks like all the Sub Streams are "ON"

 

[wittaj]

^but are they on in BI? And you should match FPS and iframes in main and sub.

By default they are off.

 

[Bluediamond]

First off, the Xenon processors are nothing special, and that one is limited with cores and threads of only 4 each. But I'm sure it makes a great power hog space heater.

Make certain you have performed every step outlined HERE.
Pay special attention to the proper way to exclude BI from any AntiVirus, including windows Defender, as outlined in the Blue Iris help file.

Be sure you are using substreams as outlined HERE

Did you perform a clean fresh install of Windows by using the MS Media Creation tool available HERE before installing Blue Iris?

Most likely a $150 refurbed machine with an i5-8500 or newer processor would run circles around the Xenon, at a much lower energy cost.

Thanks Looney I configured the sub streams as instructed in the guides and I'm below 10% now so BIG improvement

 

[Bluediamond]

^but are they on in BI? And you should match FPS and iframes in main and sub.

By default they are off.

Yes I just did this with the guides provided. As Well as matched the FPS but the quality on the screen look crappy I know that it does not affect the recording in any way but any ideas on recording the best Quality I can off the mainstream?

 

[wittaj]

In multi-camera view it is showing the lower quality substream. Solo a camera shows the mainstream.

Change VBR to CBR and up bitrate until you find the sweet spot of lower is degradation and higher is too sharp.

 

[looney2ns]

Yes I just did this with the guides provided. As Well as matched the FPS but the quality on the screen look crappy I know that it does not affect the recording in any way but any ideas on recording the best Quality I can off the mainstream?

This can easily be adjusted in the substream settings on the camera.
Find the bitrate that you like eye candy wise.

 

[Bluediamond]

This can easily be adjusted in the substream settings on the camera.
Find the bitrate that you like eye candy wise.

I can't tell the difference how do I find the sweet spot?

 

[Bluediamond]

In multi-camera view it is showing the lower quality substream. Solo a camera shows the mainstream.

Change VBR to CBR and up bitrate until you find the sweet spot of lower is degradation and higher is too sharp.

All the substreams are on CBR but I am not sure on the bitrates how do i fond the sweet spot here if I can't tell the difference on the image.

 

[gdogvm]

You can try changing the encoding setting on the cameras--switch it from h.264h to plain h.264

 

[wittaj]

If you don't see a difference then run it as low as possible.

Some run substreams at 256 while others are 2048 or higher.

 

[Bluediamond]

I have the following cameras what would be the idea setups for the bitrates?
x2 IPC-HDW5231R-ZE
X3 IPC-HDW4831EM-ASE

 

[Bluediamond]

You can try changing the encoding setting on the cameras--switch it from h.264h to plain h.264

what would this do?

 

[gdogvm]

what would this do?

Probably not much in terms of quality, but I'm running main h.264 on my cameras and the quality seems ok to me. The h.264h is the 'high' profile that has more features in the encoding which results is smaller file size but requires more processing power. But I also use VBR and set bandwidth to 1024 (I don't think it ever gets remotely close to that with quality level 4):